" I got passed in a sprint one time by some dude with 8-pack abs"
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Might have been me :-)!! No doping here though.

My wife and I got one of those scales that tells you "biological age" I got off and danced naked saying "baby you got a 32 year old!" She got on and got off dancing naked saying "and you got a 24 year old!" Enough naked talk . . . I'm heading home!

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David
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One of my (many) issues with WADA and USADA is that they don't actually use scientific evidence to put substances on the banned list. This has been studied blind, use 'roids if you want but they haven't been shown to improve endurance cycling/running/triathlon.

Without reading the studies, I can't comment on their design.

But I can tell you this - when I get purposely chopped in a corner from a 50+ master's going much faster than me in a cyclocross course when it's wide open in the 4th lap of a race and I am going pretty well that day, and he has that chiseled jaw HGH face, then I'd tend to counter argue that study.


j

I am trying to get those 8 pack abs but the 6 pack keeps getting in the way.

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Jim Lukanich

There is one light at the end of the tunnel. Law firms are now gearing up to sue because of testosterone side effects. The ads have already started.

I am definitely no expert, but I thought that testosterone assists with recovery. As you get older, recovery becomes a major issue as you are not able to bounce back from hard sessions and do it again. I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

I have hard time understanding how anyone can sleep at night if they achieve their results by cheating. I just don't get that mentality.

A few points.

First, if WADA had to wait for conclusive scientific evidence to ban something, they might be perpetually about 10+ years behind the dopers. WADA does not have the resources to conduct definitive clinical studies of every potentially ergogenic substance.

Second, 'roids have been shown to increase strength in other sports. And WADA doesn't have different lists of banned drugs depending on what sport you're in. And that makes sense to me. Serious can of worms to not have a single list.

Third, the WADA charter also allows banning drugs that pose health risks to athletes. The misuse of testosterone and other anabolic steroids is certainly a health risk. And endurance athletes *have* misused them.

All-in-all, having read the code, WADA seems to have pretty decent institutional scientific knowledge.

And, lastly, to give you some of your own medicine, I don't believe that there's much scientific evidence that your "fountain of youth stack" of hGH+T is free from significant side effects from long term use.

How is something that's the "fountain of youth" for aging age group athletes not a performing enhancing substance for age group athletes?

What a bunch of whiners. For the record, I'm not on T, and I'm not on steroids, but thanks for asking! Just because an older male is in good muscular shape everyone assumes that it can't be because of training, it must be some form of medical enhancement. THIS is exactly what these Low T, anti-aging, fix your limp d***, advertisements are selling; that if you want that look, you have to take drugs! Why are they advertising at LTF, well who's their target audience? We do a great dis-service to our sport when we insinuate that very fit older athletes are most likely taking something, maybe they have a life long commitment to a healthy lifestyle so they can avoid being a ward of the medical/pharmaceutical industry.

"What a bunch of whiners. For the record, I'm not on T, and I'm not on steroids, but thanks for asking! Just because an older male is in good muscular shape everyone assumes that it can't be because of training, it must be some form of medical enhancement. THIS is exactly what these Low T, anti-aging, fix your limp d***, advertisements are selling; that if you want that look, you have to take drugs! Why are they advertising at LTF, well who's their target audience? We do a great dis-service to our sport when we insinuate that very fit older athletes are most likely taking something, maybe they have a life long commitment to a healthy lifestyle so they can avoid being a ward of the medical/pharmaceutical industry. "

Woa, you seem pretty sensitive about your "good muscular shape". Of course if you want people to assume that it is not from PEDs, it would indeed help to support anti-doping efforts! :)

Oh, and since this is ST, in reference to your good muscular shape: pics or it didn't happen.

Sorry, Roid Rage!

I just spit beer all over laughing.....that is gold.

It was a high ark softball hit hard over the center field fence.