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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [Watt Matters] [ In reply to ]
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i was a huge fan of ullrich when everyone was on the LA band wagon and I have to agree that he pushed big gears compared to the others, especially up hill. he was a diesel for sure. if only he wasn't so lazy and showed up prepared.
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [triordie1994] [ In reply to ]
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triordie1994 wrote:
i was a huge fan of ullrich when everyone was on the LA band wagon and I have to agree that he pushed big gears compared to the others, especially up hill. he was a diesel for sure. if only he wasn't so lazy and showed up prepared.
Got some video evidence of these big gears compared with all the others when he was competitive?

Every time I Iook at videos of him ITT on flatter rides he's >100rpm and on climbs he's pedalling similar rpms to others.

Ullrich's cranks were a bit longer than typical roadies (177.5), so keep that in mind when considering his pedal velocity.
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [Watt Matters] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQflZqzn_U

specifically at 1:35,
he has a much lower cadence in comparison to Armstrong's super high cadence.
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [triordie1994] [ In reply to ]
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Don't worry about cadence. Concentrate on sustaining power and self-select cadence. It has been said by those with more knowing than I... "Cadence is a red herring".

My cadence is generally proportional to my power output when on the flat:
5min efforts = 100-110
20min = 95-105
60min = 90-100
120min = 85-95
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [fruity] [ In reply to ]
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fruity wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQflZqzn_U

specifically at 1:35,
he has a much lower cadence in comparison to Armstrong's super high cadence.

Ah, yes. That stage.

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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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This is why I get confused when people insist on having super tight gearing. You MUST run a 12-23 cassette and those 2-tooth gaps are crazy.

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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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daaaaamn

RChung wrote:
fruity wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQflZqzn_U

specifically at 1:35,
he has a much lower cadence in comparison to Armstrong's super high cadence.

Ah, yes. That stage.



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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [gabbiev] [ In reply to ]
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gabbiev wrote:
Nick B wrote:
Givingchase wrote:
I have read that optimal power on the bike is produced at a cadence of "around" 80 and the only reason to spin up to 90+ is to prep your legs at the end of the bike for your run cadence.

Don't know where I read that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Most of the 1 hour TT records are set ~100 rpms.


Self-selected cadence tends to increase as watts increase. Given the power demands of the hour, one shouldn't be surprised that cadences average ~100 RPM.

That's about right. We averaged 99rpm on Friday for the new world hour record (W 55-59).
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [gabbiev] [ In reply to ]
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gabbiev wrote:
gtingley wrote:
gabbiev wrote:
Nick B wrote:
Givingchase wrote:
I have read that optimal power on the bike is produced at a cadence of "around" 80 and the only reason to spin up to 90+ is to prep your legs at the end of the bike for your run cadence.

Don't know where I read that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


Most of the 1 hour TT records are set ~100 rpms.


Self-selected cadence tends to increase as watts increase. Given the power demands of the hour, one shouldn't be surprised that cadences average ~100 RPM.


That's about right. We averaged 99rpm on Friday for the new world hour record (W 55-59).


Hey, congrats!

How hard was this to coordinate with UCI/US Cycling governing bodies? Can I ask some questions off-line?

It was not hard, until race day of course, and I was on deck for 6 hours total. Lot's of specific UCI rules (equipment, clothing, etc) and waiting for USADA. Sure, shoot me some questions to my email.
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [aw3] [ In reply to ]
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I have been playing around with this idea after my poor run in Penticton. I have a Computrainer and prior to Penticton found my highest watts to lowest heart rate in efforts longer than 30 minutes was around 85 rpm so Thats what I aimed for. Bike time was ok, but quads were fried. This winter, I am trying to train my cadence so I can be more efficient at higher cadence:-)

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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [fruity] [ In reply to ]
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fruity wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQflZqzn_U

specifically at 1:35,
he has a much lower cadence in comparison to Armstrong's super high cadence.

The claim was much Ullrich was much lower than normal/others, not Armstrong. Armstrong was a typically higher pedalling rate than most.

Just a quick flick onto one of first vids I googled:

Timing 20 pedal strokes where it was clear to view them:

See at ~3:10 he's pedalling at 103rpm
And at ~3:35 he's pedalling at 106rpm
And at ~5:45 he's pedalling at 109rpm
And at ~7:30 he's pedalling at 94rpm up a slight rise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4CgOKBKdVE


I'd hardly call that slow pedalling relative to the normal rates of professional riders in TTs.

Just to put a range of years on it... (suggest muting)

1998:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8LPca3xI6M
at 0:32 - 88rpm when climbing on bullhorns
at 1:51 - 96rpm

1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9TEREwFf0c
at 2:27 - 96rpm. It looks slower than it is with the longer cranks.


His final TT in 2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF7v8YUMCmg
at 0:05 - 94 rpm slightly uphill
at 1:38 - 104 rpm slightly down
Last edited by: Watt Matters: Nov 2, 14 17:13
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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Were you drinking Heed on the run course??

Maurice
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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The reason I ask is that Heed on the run that day was being mixed at 1 bin (1600 cal) per 32-34 litres.

So at 50ml per cup you would need 40 cups (or 2 liters) to get 100 calories.

….if you need at minimum 200 cal per hour then you needed to drink 4L per hour.

(edit for bad math ;-)

Maurice
Last edited by: mauricemaher: Nov 3, 14 17:03
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Re: Optimal Cadence Test [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I guess it was HEED on the race course, but i refilled at a 2 to 1 HEED to water ratio. For "fuel" on the course I had a 20 ounce bottle containing 2 caffeine pills, 6 salt stick tablets, one and a half flasks of EMS gel. Once that ran out, just after special needs, I just took one, and sometimes 2 gels at each aid station.

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