Quantcast
    MAIN INDEX RULES & LEGEND LOG IN  

Slowtwitch Forums: Triathlon Forum:
Zipp 3001 frame

 

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All  


donm

Oct 5, 08 13:13

Post #1 of 31 (10697 views)
Zipp 3001 frame Quote | Reply

Theoretically speaking, if you had the opportunity to buy a Zipp 3001 frame at a reasonable price, would you do it?

Tell me about this frame - how fast is it? Is there any data out there?

Thanks,
Don


stal

Oct 5, 08 13:26

Post #2 of 31 (10676 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [donm] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

No data out there. Only a claim that a zipp 3001 tested faster than a lotus, and that the lotus tested faster than the P3C (but not as fast as the P4). So it's pretty aero.

Disadvantages:

Weight: A few pounds heavier than new frames
Parts: Beam, elastomers, connection parts are hard to find if broken
Seatbolts: Break a lot (very soft metal). Expensive to replace even if it's possible.
Rear Brake is incredibly hard to get to work. You have to use crappy old center pull breaks which have the negative effect of being unable to stop a bike.
Cabling: The internal cabling often breaks and you end up having to cut the frame open to fix this (Very expensive AND hurts the structural integrity of the frame)



----------------------------------------------------------------

My training


donm

Oct 5, 08 14:56

Post #3 of 31 (10619 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [stal] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Hmmm....none of those things sound good for a guy who's not particularly handy with a torque wrench (i.e. me).


RACERX

Oct 5, 08 18:24

Post #4 of 31 (10548 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [donm] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Do you know someone that has one for sale? I am looking for one, let me know.
Thanks
Ryan

-----------------------------------------
Donate now to the war on ALS


Record10Carbon

Oct 5, 08 18:36

Post #5 of 31 (10542 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [stal] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
Cabling: The internal cabling often breaks and you end up having to cut the frame open to fix this (Very expensive AND hurts the structural integrity of the frame)
Huh?

----------------------------------------------------------

What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?


RACERX

Oct 5, 08 19:09

Post #6 of 31 (10517 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [Record10Carbon] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

If you dont replace the cables on a regular basis the housing seizes to the frame and then its bad news..

-----------------------------------------
Donate now to the war on ALS


stal

Oct 5, 08 19:34

Post #7 of 31 (10499 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [RACERX] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It's a bad feeling, you put the cable into the bike and it doesn't come out anywhere. What happened was that the cables corroded taking the internal housings with them. The housing snaps/breaks inside the frame.

You have to have someone who knows a lot about carbon fiber open up the frame and re-plumb the internal housings. I would venture a guess that doing these makes the frame a wee bit less stiff.

Another problem I had was the BB shell spinning in the frame because the BB had corroded into the shell forming a bond stronger than the one connecting the BB shell to the frame. Had to have a really smart carbon fiber dude take it out and re-epoxy it into the frame.



----------------------------------------------------------------

My training


Smoiniye

Oct 6, 08 14:57

Post #8 of 31 (10395 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [stal] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
It's a bad feeling, you put the cable into the bike and it doesn't come out anywhere. What happened was that the cables corroded taking the internal housings with them. The housing snaps/breaks inside the frame.

You have to have someone who knows a lot about carbon fiber open up the frame and re-plumb the internal housings. I would venture a guess that doing these makes the frame a wee bit less stiff.

Another problem I had was the BB shell spinning in the frame because the BB had corroded into the shell forming a bond stronger than the one connecting the BB shell to the frame. Had to have a really smart carbon fiber dude take it out and re-epoxy it into the frame.
Sounds like you've had some rough experience with your bike. I purchased a 10+ year old Zipp 2001 earlier this summer and haven't had any problems with it yet. It's only been a month since I upgraded the crank and BB, and the shop which replaced it didn't have any issues.


"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. —Enzo Ferrari "


mopdahl

Oct 6, 08 15:29

Post #9 of 31 (10357 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [stal] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Dude, you really should know more about what you are posting about:

Disadvantages:
Weight: A few pounds heavier than new frames
Yes
Parts: Beam, elastomers, connection parts are hard to find if broken Beams, yes, but I've never heard of a beam actually breaking ala Softride. All the other parts are available via a guy in Indiana who handles all the Zipp repairs & warranty work (which just expired this past year or two).
Seatbolts: Break a lot (very soft metal). Expensive to replace even if it's possible. No, they don't break. Yes, they do strip if you don't know what you are doing. They cost $10.00 or so to replace, and I haven't stripped or broken one in years.
Rear Brake is incredibly hard to get to work. You have to use crappy old center pull breaks which have the negative effect of being unable to stop a bike. Um, no, not unless you don't know what you are doing. The Zipp brake can be a PITA to setup, but then it works fine. Else you can use an old Shimano AX brake, which works GREAT, or a Hooker. Other, less attractive options are the Campy center-pulls or the old Modolos, which absolutely will not work well. One option which works extremely well, with a slight bolt modification, are the Oval Aero 700 brakes; now that Cervelo is putting their brake down there I'm sure there will be plenty of other options.
Cabling: The internal cabling often breaks and you end up having to cut the frame open to fix this (Very expensive AND hurts the structural integrity of the frame) You couldn't be more wrong on this. No, you don't need to cut open the frame. Yes, it can be repaired for a few hundred dollars by sending your frame to Indiana.

Zipp 3001 and the later 2001 are great, great frames. They require a bit more patience & fine tuning than other bikes, but their ride quality is second to none. That there is so much interest in them, and that they are so coveted 10 years after Zipp stopped making them, should give you some indication of how good they are.


____________
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” John Rogers


stal

Oct 6, 08 16:07

Post #10 of 31 (10325 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I hate to tell you, but if you read your responses to my post very carefully you agreed with everything I said but just painted it in a more positive light :)

I'm not shitting on the frames believe me, I have a 2001 and it's my baby. I continue to believe that it is the most aero frame ever produced (careful reading of statements from gerard and joshatzipp will imply that it's faster than the P3C and lotus).

HOWEVER, there are a lot of headaches that come along with this specific type of bike. I mentioned those above (and you agreed with me!). I had to purchase 4 different frames (on ebay, so I guess it's my own fault) before I got a frame, beam, elastomer interface, seat interface, BB shell, and internal housings that was 100%. I have seen each and every one of the problems mentioned above...some my fault and some not and I have been building bikes for 5 years now. These are problems specific to this frame and worth mentioning to someone considering a purchase like the OP. I wish someone explained them all to me so I could know what questions to ask when buying this type of frame.

Couldn't agree more with you about the ride quality...it's SMOOTH.



----------------------------------------------------------------

My training


mopdahl

Oct 6, 08 16:37

Post #11 of 31 (10297 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [stal] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Ah, ebay, there is the problem.

My last zipp off ebay was a beautiful nude carbon---1st one to come up in my size in years---with almost perfect stickers. Of course the rear brake bolt was stripped, the bottom bracket was seized-up, the beam adjustment bolt was also seized-up, and the headset had to be replaced (they all do). Dave Hill was able to fix it all, and I recommend (and do myself) send any frame purchased on ebay for him to do a once over, swap out the headset, and fix whatever is wrong, PROPERLY.

That means no cutting of the frame to re-route the internal housing. That means all the bushings & bolts can be replaced to make the frame "new".

For a $200-500 investment, upfront, your grief quotient will be much, much less, and your frames will be as state of the art as possible, given their (limited) design & weight flaws.

____________
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” John Rogers


bikescott

Oct 6, 08 20:42

Post #12 of 31 (10248 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I will second Dave Hill's work. I bought a frame last year, and he went through the entire thing for me, switched the headset, ran new internal cables, replaced some bolts, and my frame has been great.

I actually picked up my bike from his shop on my way to Indy, he is a really nice guy, and knows his stuff when it comes to these frames.


---------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: This poster is a sales rep in the bicycle industry


596

Oct 6, 08 21:34

Post #13 of 31 (10224 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [donm] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

OK, time for me to chime in here. I just got back from a short "poker" vacation. I love winning enough money to pay for my vacations and bring more money home then I left with : )

As for Dave....he's a great guy and knows everything about the frames as he built them all.

As for the bolts....yep...they break on me about every 4-6 months. I had to DNF my last race as 1/4 mile into the bike leg, both my bolts snapped clean in half and the seat fell off. I've probably broken 16 of these bolts over the past 4 years. I order them from Dave at $10 each. I order 10 at a time.

As for the cable routing, as long as you replace the cables every 6-8 months, you should never have a problem with the routing. I've had 4 Zipp frames and never had a problem with any of the routing. Maintenance is the way to avoid this problem. ALWAYS use new cables. Never put a used/cut cable back thru the cable routing.

I've seen one of the bottom bracket shells turn in the frame. It would move about 1/16th of turn and then got stuck forever and there was never a problem after that. I have no idea why and don't care.

The rear brake is fine for stopping, though I'm former Police mtn bike instructor and therefore use the front brake far more then the rear. The Zipp rear brake can be a bear to adjust but after a few attempts I've gotten very good at it and can install a rear brake and adjust it in a matter of minutes, there's a few "tricks of the trade".

The only parts I've ever replaced was the seat bolts, headset and the bandaid that covers the beam around the beam adjustment area. All other parts are original.

The frames are extremely fast, extremely comfortable, and as far as I'm concerned this equates to "fast", a tad flexy, though not enough to loose any speed as far as I could tell. Don't climb really well, probably due to weight and flex. For most courses the Zipp 2001 frame can't be beat. That said I just sold one of mine as I ordered a new Look 596. I still have one left and it'll probably stay with me forever.

I've rebuilt my framesets literally dozens of times over the past 9 years I've had these frames. I've owned 4 of them.

.
.
Paul


nsw550

May 16, 11 9:19

Post #14 of 31 (8937 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [596] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I have a mint condition ZIPP 3001 Limited Edition frame/fork/carbon brakes with ZIPP 440 wheels for sale.
-Less than 50 miles on bike!

You can find more pics here:
http://www.bikeforums.net/...ex.php/t-565051.html

$3500


Quantum

May 16, 11 9:47

Post #15 of 31 (8891 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [nsw550] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

nsw550 wrote:
I have a mint condition ZIPP 3001 Limited Edition frame/fork/carbon brakes with ZIPP 440 wheels for sale.
-Less than 50 miles on bike!

You can find more pics here:
http://www.bikeforums.net/...ex.php/t-565051.html

$3500
Oh hey, please delete your classifieds post, become part of the community, and then post in the forum pretty clearly marked "Classifieds". Thanks!


ravenju

Sep 16, 11 7:30

Post #16 of 31 (8250 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [nsw550] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Hi~ can you try to contact me ?

i've very intrerest on your zipp 3001

but i'm come from oversea

if you see this message , pls leave a reply in this board

THANKS A LOT^_^


nsw550

Sep 19, 11 9:59

Post #17 of 31 (8069 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [ravenju] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Sold it to a man in Australia last week


javelinguy

Dec 27, 11 12:58

Post #18 of 31 (7237 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Does anyone know if the beams for the 2001 and 3001 were the same or different? I've heard/read that the 3001 was stiffer and lighter than the 2001 but I attributed that declaration to the frame and didn't consider the beam.

_______________________________________________
Triple Threat Triathlon


mopdahl

Dec 27, 11 13:51

Post #19 of 31 (7193 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [javelinguy] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

They were the same. There was some marketing gobblydeegook about the 3001 frames having boron inlays on the chainstays or some such, but I've owned both & couldn't tell the difference b/t the two.

____________
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” John Rogers


javelinguy

Dec 27, 11 13:55

Post #20 of 31 (7187 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

mopdahl wrote:
They were the same. There was some marketing gobblydeegook about the 3001 frames having boron inlays on the chainstays or some such, but I've owned both & couldn't tell the difference b/t the two.

Thanks, that's kinda what I thought. Would a "2001" beam on a 3001 frame effect it's value or resale price?

_______________________________________________
Triple Threat Triathlon


mopdahl

Dec 27, 11 20:46

Post #21 of 31 (7054 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [javelinguy] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It shouldn't....I did the same thing---took a 2001 beam to a local autobody repair place & had them spray it gloss black then dropped it on top of the 3001 frame & it looked great. $50 was what it cost a few years back out here in SoCal.

FWIW, I think the apex on 3001/2001 valuations was reached some time ago, so I wouldn't put too much $$ into them. Its now 5 years since the Zipp 10 year warranty on the last 1997 era frames expired, parts are becoming scarce, most of the newest aero frames are pretty fast......and technology has probably caught up with the old zipps.

Or at least thats what I'm telling myself as I prep for a BMC TM01 purchase.

However if I were still doing tris, and if I had a FLAT bike leg ahead of me, I really don't think that there is anything (significantly) faster out there (yet?).

____________
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” John Rogers


mopdahl

Dec 27, 11 20:55

Post #22 of 31 (7042 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Funny---just went to ebay to see what they are going for & there was my old frame/bike, just sold for $2500 (or, if not mine, exactly the same setup I had on rear brake, stem, fork, headset, spacers, bars, Minoura cage & red ringle cages (and 99% sure it was mine as I'm almost positive #67 was mine)). Not a bad deal--about what I sold it for 3-4 years ago.

____________
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” John Rogers


Xavier

Dec 28, 11 4:29

Post #23 of 31 (6970 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [mopdahl] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

mopdahl wrote:
They were the same. There was some marketing gobblydeegook about the 3001 frames having boron inlays on the chainstays or some such, but I've owned both & couldn't tell the difference b/t the two.

It's the downtube. If you compare a clearcoated 3001 vs. a clearcoated 2001, you can see the oblong strip of boron behind the Zipp letters on the 3001. I've got number 73, apart from that the shape etc. is all exactly the same as the 2001s. The data I have on it show that fork selection is absolutely critical - when I tested it with a pseudo aero 1" Time fork it was terrible, Oval Jetstreams work well with it though!

Xav


jackmott

Dec 28, 11 4:30

Post #24 of 31 (6966 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [Xavier] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Xavier wrote:
The data I have on it show that fork selection is absolutely critical

I think that may be true of all bikes!



Tires - what makes them fast, tips on tires tubes and pressures
Aeroweenie.com -Compendium of Aero Data and Knowledge
Freelance sports & outdoors writer Kathryn Hunter


Xavier

Dec 28, 11 11:09

Post #25 of 31 (6876 views)
Re: Zipp 3001 frame [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Lol, absolutely!

Xav

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All  
 
 
 



Swimming
Now that it's off season, are you shutting it down for a couple of months? Or will you swim through the Winter?
Shutting it down
Swim thru Winter
I don't swim