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beavertriathlon
Jun 29, 08 19:59
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Who won the Morgantown HIM?
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Anyone know? I know David Thompson was in the mix as well as defending champion Bryan Rhodes.
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Jun 30, 08 3:56
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I am still learning all the names of the "new" (anyone who wasn't around in the 90's) pros, but I think Daniel Bretscher won. I didn't stick around for the results since I had to drive back to Illinois (with four young kids) and get to work Monday morning. Rhodes wasn't there. Andrew Yoder had a big lead out of the water and held it half way on the bike, but had a bad crash. David Thompson also unfortunatly had a DNF.
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Jun 30, 08 4:25
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Story in local paper (men's race)
http://olive.dominionpost.com/...=english-skin-custom
Story in local paper ("the womens" race)
http://olive.dominionpost.com/...=english-skin-custom
Story about bike accidents due to rain
http://olive.dominionpost.com/...=english-skin-custom
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Jun 30, 08 4:41
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It looks like Thompson took a wrong turn and then withdrew from the race? From the article:
"Ultimately it is the runner's responsibility to take the correct route"-said Shannon Kurek, promotor of the Morgantown race, "Unfortunately those things happen, it's a part of the sport."
Let me be the first to say.....BULLSHIT!
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Macho Grande
Jun 30, 08 5:04
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I know this is a cliche, but it is West By God Virginia and things there are done a little differently all the time....I'd ask why they did not mark the roads or have a volunteer stading at the turns as they do in, I don't know, every other race? Maybe the volunteers were there, but Thompson did not see them in their camo....
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baxnelly
Jun 30, 08 5:24
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I did the race yesterday. For the half at the early part of the bike course you go out of town and at one point about 5-7 miles in you go past a road to the left. The olympic course goes left at this point but the half goes another 2 miles straight then you do a 180degree turn around in the road and head back. When you get to the point where the olympic course turned left it is now a right hand turn for the half and your back on the same course as the olympic distance. My heat (m35-39) started about 10 minutes after the pros. On my way out of town and before I got to the point where the half goes straight/the olympic turns left I saw two riders hauling ass on the road back into town and knew immediately they had gone up to the turn around and on the way back not made the right hand turn.
There was a cop/volunteer at this turn directing you to turn right. Plus there were about 10 pink arrows on the road pointing right. If you were doing the olympic it was also clearly marked to make the turn on the way out and not to do the extra 4 mile out and back. I didn't see any intersection on the course or turn that wasn't well marked and had at least a couple of volunteers directing traffic. It was a very well marked and staffed course. And I didn't see any volunteers in camo, but a few were playing banjos.
Now the shitty pothole road that was worse than last year, well that was another story. Had a good race going till I centerpunched a pothole and flatted.
Edit: Just read the article and realized Thompson missed a turn on the run. It was a really simple run course and well marked so not sure where you could even go off course. Not sure who the two riders that missed the turn were then....
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Jun 30, 08 5:26
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I have raced the MED EXPRESS two years in a row. Shannon and his crew did an
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job this year and last year of marking the course, having volunteers directing the way to the competitors, and having police officers directing traffic to ensure a safe race for everyone.
There was an Olympic distance race that went off about 30 minutes
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our race. The Olympic distance race does not do the first out and back that the half ironman follows on the course. I am not sure if this is where David went off course, however, it was
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responsibility to know this course. It was not HFP, the volunteers, or the police officers responsibility.
This whole thing is absolutely annoying....At Columbia this year, Macca, Richie, and a few other guys went off course on the bike, adding about 3 or 4 minutes to their bike split....I never heard any of those guys pissing or moaning. Stuff happens in a race. As a pro, you digest it all and figure out a way to make it better. In Macca and Richie's case, they finished the race, with smiles on their faces, without a complaint. In David case, he chose to DNF.
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Jun 30, 08 5:33
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I suppose in my morning haze my sense of humor was lost. Having gone to school in Athens, Ohio, West Virginia jokes are liek second nature to me. Anyhow, no offense meant at anyone. That said Thompson DNFing was his choice indeed.
At Columbia Lieto did the bike course twice the day before and the run course so he knew it cold. When I was at Columbia awards ceremony and introduced to Macca by my friend from UA I said I was sorry about the course issue. His response? "That's racing, no worries." No ripping anyone. No ripping Vigo. Class.
And finally, congrats on winning if indeed AGLovato is indeed Amanda Lovato.
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squesen
Jun 30, 08 5:39
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The rain made the pothole-road-from-hell more challenging, since the holes filled with water so you had to "guess" where they were. I saw a lot of people dealing with flats. And I saw one dude in the food tent after the race who had a pretty nasty case of road rash.
Personally, I thought the course was well-marked. There were volunteers and/or cones out on the run. You have to hand it to the volunteers -- they all still had a smile on their faces during the pounding rain storms.
baxnelly
Jun 30, 08 5:49
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Actually I flatted after the road-from hell. I was pretty vigilant in avoiding the holes on that road, but then when I got just past the point where the olympic turns left and the road was pretty smooth I kind of zoned out and wasn't paying attention and nailed a small hole pretty bad. I had a good swim and good first lap of the bike going so I was pretty pissed, but then I really screwed up by going way too hard on the bike to make up time and blew up about mile 50 then had a death march in. I was looking to improve on my time from last year (5:17) big time but went way the other way for my worst half ever.
But the course (bike and run) was very well marked, and just about every hole/bump on the bike course was marked too. Kudos to HFP for putting on a great race (other than the rain).
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Jun 30, 08 6:13
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Can anyone give me info on the Olympic distance race results??
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squesen
Jun 30, 08 6:16
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Oly men's
http://olive.dominionpost.com/...=english-skin-custom
Oly women's
http://olive.dominionpost.com/...=english-skin-custom
Results are now up on HFP's website.
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Jun 30, 08 6:27
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Roads were/are marked very well(though rough)...don't know about a volunteer not being at a particular corner. I also heard that Thompson crashed but cannot confirm that. Yoder was pretty chewed up and said he went down twice.
There were intermittent downpours and this really affected the 1/2 ironman competitors who were still on their bikes.
NO camo in June; it's not hunting season!!!! I did see some guys fishing while I was swimming.
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Jun 30, 08 9:25
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is it just me or is it nearly impossible to find results. like cold hard results on this race??? I love HFP and what they are doing in tris, but for the life of me that medexpress site is all pretty without the info u need right there. i have yet to find the real results... congrats to everyone that survived that bike
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Jun 30, 08 9:28
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is it just me or is it nearly impossible to find results. like cold hard results on this race??? I love HFP and what they are doing in tris, but for the life of me that medexpress site is all pretty without the info u need right there. i have yet to find the real results... congrats to everyone that survived that bike
The results have been up for over two hours....
http://www.hfpracing.com/results.php?eventid=38
baxnelly
Jun 30, 08 9:36
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is it just me or is it nearly impossible to find results. like cold hard results on this race??? I love HFP and what they are doing in tris, but for the life of me that medexpress site is all pretty without the info u need right there. i have yet to find the real results... congrats to everyone that survived that bike
The results are up on the HFP page for the race. I agree that the medexpress site is/was hard to navigate. Half the links didn't work/lead to anywhere.
And I say phbbbtt to all that passed me on the bike while I was changing my flat.
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Jun 30, 08 11:36
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It was our man Daniel Bretscher! This was definitely a race of attrition, had a big pro field signed up originally........Rhodes/Cunningham DNS due to injury, Thompson and a couple others DNFd, Yoder crashed out. Wasn't how Daniel wanted to win, but a win's a win, and he was darned fast! Kevin Lisska double flatted and dropped out (though they still have him listed in the results).
Just to help clarify......the Olympic distance was marked just fine, the Half was the problem. Most of us in the pro field missed that turn just as David did. That's the part that stinks about going first, we're usually the first to experience any problems ;-) There was no one at the corner, and no markings at that point. As I went past too I kept looking back at the corner because I was pretty sure we were supposed to go that way, though if there's no markings or people you're not quite sure what to do in that moment of panic. I finally saw a guy saying I missed the turn, so I swung around real quick. I do agree that yes it is our job to know the course, and also their job to mark the course. I don't think anyone's blaming anyone, just unfortunate. HFP does a great job. After about that point the nice guy that was at that corner then instructed everyone else to make the corner, so no problems after that really.
Yoder crashed out at that corner, not sure if it was due to the rain on the road, or panic from almost missing the turn. Word was Thompson was WAY off course, all the way back to T1 before he noticed. Depends on your schedule, but for a guy like him that races a ton, I can see why he'd DNF, might as well save it for the next race since that's how he makes a living.
Was a tough day!
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I didn't have any trouble navigating the bike or the run course.
*shrugs*
Although the way some of the pros run, you have to be seeing spots at that speed :p
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yeah i think it was pretty limited to the first several guys, then the volunteer at that bike corner caught on to the problem and was very helpful from there on out.
i don't think anyone missed on the run, it was pretty obvious. though "accidentally" missing that hell-ish hill might not have been such a bad idea!
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Jun 30, 08 12:03
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At Columbia Lieto did the bike course twice the day before and the run course so he knew it cold. When I was at Columbia awards ceremony and introduced to Macca by my friend from UA I said I was sorry about the course issue. His response? "That's racing, no worries." No ripping anyone. No ripping Vigo. Class.
And finally, congrats on winning if indeed AGLovato is indeed Amanda Lovato.
Bob
One year at the Chicago tri they offered the pros a tour of the run course. Only a handful decided to take it as it was raining. Well wouldn't you know the next day that a number of competitors who had NOT attended the course preview went off course on the run. The woman who would have won ended up a few places back because she added extra by mistake. The woman who was awarded 10th cut part of the course and was just given a 1 or maybe 2 min minute penalty. I don't have a problem with people doing EXTRA and accepting their place based on that but it was BS that the 10th place finisher's time was just adjusted with a penalty. If others had known cutting the course would only result in a penalty what would stop them from, say, deciding to skip a mile of the run by -oops- mistake? Yes, courses SHOULD be well-marked but if the race is THAT important the athletes should go and check it out before the race or suffer the consequences of making a wrong turn.
The Med Express race was very WELL marked with orange arrows all over the course AND every competitor was provided course maps in the newspaper they included in the race packet. There was an arrow on the road pointing to turn right under a bridge on the return from the first out & back and from what other competitors said Thompson and Yoder missed the turn on the first lap. NOw I don't know how they got by the cop that was there - maybe he was late to his post but it was their responsibility to know the course. Thompson did this race in the past so he should have known both the bike and run courses. Yoder didn't arrive till Sat night and guess didn't want to get up super early to check out the course. It is unfortunate but it happens. Too bad, cuz it would have been an interesting race after their showdown in Philly the previous week. Plus it was Yoder's first half.
Hope Yoder is alright - heard he had crashed but didn't know he crashed twice - OUCH.
Congrats to Amanda Lovato and to Dan Bretscher on his first pro win. He was so cute, almost apologetic for winning "by default" (think that's what he said when asked who had won) but, hey, he did the course in a very respectible time and managed to keep upright on his bike.
The rain made the course kind of scary at times. (Guy in front of me played the part of a turn-around cone as he went down on the turnaround of the first out & back on the second loop - he seemed OK, just a little shook up.) I nearly slid out and hit a cop at the right hand turn under the bridge heading out back to the road along the river. Held it together though, phew. The rain stopped in time to make the run steamy, oh joy! It was my longest run of the year and the rain would have been much more welcomed during that endless run leg than during the bike. Oh well!
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Most of us in the pro field missed that turn just as David did. That's the part that stinks about going first, we're usually the first to experience any problems ;-) \\
You are exactly right. The front runners always find any course problems, and they usually get fixed immediatly, but after the damage to them is done. That's why you find all these glowing reports on this thread about how the course was perfect, they were not in the lead. They were the benafactors to David's course blazing, and instead of bagging on him, they should be kissing his ass and thanking him. I can't tell you how many times I have been in this exact same scenario. AS a RD, you have to put yourself into the mindset of the leader, and mark your course accordingly. When I put on races, I had a 3 prong approach to every trun and corner. Mark the road with chalk/cones, put up a sign ahead of it, and have a volunteer there. That way, if any one or two did not happen for whatever reason, there was always a back up for the athlete. Sometimes people don't show up, they are taking a piss, not paying attention, whatever. Maybe the course guy forgot the sign. But if there are arrows painted on the road, at least at a minium, an athlete can figure out which way to go. There is no excuse for this, and I don't blame David at all for not finishing. It sounds like he was way out of the running when he figured it out, and what is the point?? Nothing worse than having the win and money taken from you by bad course management.....
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I think you may have saw me go down in front of you. I will say that there was not a volunteer at that turn after the first out and back. I don not blaim hfp though. The most prepared athlete always wins. This means fitness, nutrition, gear selection, resting, and course knowledge. All in all, another great race by HFP. Just fix the bugs in your website guys.
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Just to help clarify......the Olympic distance was marked just fine, the Half was the problem. Most of us in the pro field missed that turn just as David did. That's the part that stinks about going first, we're usually the first to experience any problems ;-) There was no one at the corner, and no markings at that point. As I went past too I kept looking back at the corner because I was pretty sure we were supposed to go that way, though if there's no markings or people you're not quite sure what to do in that moment of panic. I finally saw a guy saying I missed the turn, so I swung around real quick. I do agree that yes it is our job to know the course, and also their job to mark the course. I don't think anyone's blaming anyone, just unfortunate. HFP does a great job. After about that point the nice guy that was at that corner then instructed everyone else to make the corner, so no problems after that really.
Yoder crashed out at that corner, not sure if it was due to the rain on the road, or panic from almost missing the turn. Word was Thompson was WAY off course, all the way back to T1 before he noticed. Depends on your schedule, but for a guy like him that races a ton, I can see why he'd DNF, might as well save it for the next race since that's how he makes a living.
Was a tough day!
Are you talking the hard right under the bridge after the out and back on the flat road along the river? It was a hard turn (beyond 90 degrees, and wet at times) but I thought it was well marked with numerous arrows on the road leading up to it pointing right. Granted by the time my wave got there the cop was paying attention so maybe he didn't wave the first riders to the right.
Like I said above on my way out the road along the river I was shocked to see two guys hauling ass back into town and I immediately knew they had missed the right hand turn onto the loop. Someone above said Thompson got lost on the run, but if you look at the DNF's he's listed as having a 30 something minute bike split (90+mph avg) so I'm thinking he was one of the riders I saw heading back into town (they were already 3-4 miles past where they should have turned) and didn't get lost on the run. Too bad, but congrats on your guy.
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yeah, for the half the hard right after the out and back. I will say there definitely was nothing there when we went through, the volunteer looked like they just realized the problem as I was going through. Even if you study the course, you start the think......okay, I'm pretty sure that was it, but there's no arrows etc, so do i go right even though it doesn't say to and risk going off course, or go straight and risk going off course, etc (and make that split decision at 25-30mph there!). By the second lap everyone still remaining then knew to turn.
David was DNF out of the bike probably by 10 miles, along with I believe some stud swimmer who was just in front of him (ie the 2 guys hammering back into town by themselves)
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Yeah, that is a dicey corner and it was even worse the second time around after the rain. Having done the race last year I knew about it and when scouting the course with a friend that was with me doing the olympic it helped me to tell him he turns left there so he didn't follow the half riders out (I made sure he knew that even though there was a big sign saying 40k turn left).
The two guys hauling back to town were definitely beyond the point of turning around and getting back into the race with the other pros.
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