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walnutcreek tri
Nov 6, 09 21:35
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I like the idea that the deer meat that i eat is free of growth hormone and steroids, unlike most of the Kroger meat. The deer lives a completly natural life until I take him or her. A much more humane way for animals to live than living in a cage slightly larger than the body of a chicken of a cow that is available at the local grocery.
X2. It's as organic as you can get.
jacobbunner
Nov 6, 09 21:42
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I dont feel superior. I dont know where you got that. But if you want to come over to my mom and dad's, come on down. I will show you how to shoot. bucks are for me, but you can shoot a tasty doe.
jacobbunner
Nov 6, 09 21:45
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Also, I would bet you are half way close to a national forest, where you can hunt for free! So its not a rich mans game, anyone can do it!
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Nov 6, 09 21:51
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Go for a bike ride.
I live in rural eastern Ontario and we're currrently in the two weeks of deer hunting which is a huge thing in this area. I HATE THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. This means I can't run with my dog on the conservation trails in fear of a stray bullet or some idiot hunting where they shouldn't be.
Am I missing something. These bozos look forward to this all year so they can have a week or two away from their wives and do some "male bonding" getting drunk, sleeping in a tiny cabin, farting/snoring, not taking a shower and shooting at anything that has fur. Bag a mouse if you can't find a deer.
Every year we lose a few hunters - either by accidental shooting, heart attack or they get lost in the woods and die of over exposure.
Don't even go there - deer hunters are f*cking morons IMHO. I just don't understand what the attraction is about the manly art of shooting defenseless animals.
Yes, you are missing something.
Let me point out a few things that may not be obvious to you...
* Not every hunter is an illiterate, overweight, beer-drinking, obnoxious litterbug.
* Hunting is not easy (take a look at deer hunting success rates for example -- which are often 20-30%).
* Hunters pay the bill for the vast majority of wildlife conservation.
* Hunting is an important tool for wildlife management.
* Wild game meat is healthy.
So before you rag on it, open your mind up and educate yourself a little about it.
Btw, hunters can't understand why you SBR all the time or why you get in their way occasionally while cycling on "their" roads. And every year we lose a few triathletes from heart attacks, drownings, car accidents, etc. So what?
To the OP... here's one more vote for you to go hunting. You've got the rest of the year to train. Good luck. Be safe.
jacobbunner
Nov 6, 09 21:54
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Nov 6, 09 21:58
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After having to shoot at humans while serving my country, I never will touch a gun again just for the sake of gaining pleasure.
And if you would have dragged your rifle and side weapon through swamps and deserts for weeks on end, you would also be happy to not have to pick one up ever again in your life. Unless the process doing so screwed you up for good.
You attempt to portray a very romantic view of what guns are about.
They are everything but that.
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jacobbunner
Nov 6, 09 22:02
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Wow. Ok. I am not going to harass you or criticize you. I am a cop. I carry a gun every day. I hope I never have to shoot anyone! Animals are different. We eat them. i am not being snide, maybe you need to talk to someone. I will let others have the last word. I am bailing. just wow.
IRONwolf
Nov 6, 09 22:29
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what is it liek to shoot a person??? I always thought that would be cool as hell, I still hope to do this somedy, tll me what its like!!!! I want to aim my gun and take a mans (or kids, or womens life) I think that would be fucking sweet.
The ultimate thrill!!!!!
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IRONwolf
Nov 6, 09 22:31
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yeah!!!! but what if the Deer is a christian????? didnt think of that did you???? you dirty, unwashed christian.
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DAB
Nov 7, 09 4:54
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with a slight twist, you can "participate" in both. Rivet a nice set set of antlers to your bike helment, set your chaining on GO, and you would have a great ride here in hillbilly land. Not knowing your bike capabilities, I would set the over/under at 30 miles...
ride2eat
Nov 7, 09 5:29
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Go for a bike ride.
I live in rural eastern Ontario and we're currrently in the two weeks of deer hunting which is a huge thing in this area. I HATE THIS TIME OF THE YEAR. This means I can't run with my dog on the conservation trails in fear of a stray bullet or some idiot hunting where they shouldn't be.
Am I missing something. These bozos look forward to this all year so they can have a week or two away from their wives and do some "male bonding" getting drunk, sleeping in a tiny cabin, farting/snoring, not taking a shower and shooting at anything that has fur. Bag a mouse if you can't find a deer.
Every year we lose a few hunters - either by accidental shooting, heart attack or they get lost in the woods and die of over exposure.
Don't even go there - deer hunters are f*cking morons IMHO. I just don't understand what the attraction is about the manly art of shooting defenseless animals.
Hate to break this to you, but not all hunters are 'f*cking morons' as you so tactfully described us. I would not go so far as making a broad sweeping term to include all hunters as you have, but would suggest any man(singular) who appears to know as little about deer populations and their impact on farming communities as you do.....might very well be what you described. Many of us, myself included, have just as much fun being in the outdoors and not seeing a deer at all while on a hunt. The DNR in Indiana has extended the deer season by a few weeks to up to 2 months nearly every year since 1977(my first year hunting). This is done to cull the herd as their population continues to explode every year. The deer destroy the crops.....absolutely destroy them. At least the State of Indiana can make some money off the extra deer/buck stamps.
I ask you, would it not be 'f*cking moronic' as you so eloquently stated..... to let the deer ruin the output of the crops which put other food sources on your table and mine in the name of letting a deer population continue to grow out of control? OR you can have a healthy, full deer population AND healthy, full crops?
To the OP, go hunt is my vote. Some of my fondest memories of my dad and siblings were on beautiful fall days in the woods. Didn't even need to see a deer to enjoy it, but it was certainly a great treat to have a freezer full of what I consider to be the best meat on earth that would feed our family all winter.
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hgrong
Nov 7, 09 5:37
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* Hunting is not easy (take a look at deer hunting success rates for example -- which are often 20-30%).
While recognizing that there is merit to your other arguments, I have to take issue with this.
As background, yes, I have hunted deer many times in many different parts of the country. Where I grew up, it was expected that young men hunted, so I did. I gave it up many years ago, however.
I stopped because I realized that there is nothing sporting about it. There is very little skill involved; there is no challenge to it. People talk about the "thrill of the hunt." But the way that most deer hunting is done these days, there is no
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per se. For the most part, it involves walking into the woods before dark, climbing into a tree stand, sitting as still as possible, and waiting for a deer to walk within 100 yards (or more depending on the terrain). The fact that the "success rate" is so low does not reflect the difficulty of hunting so much as deer just don't walk by all that often.
I shot deer when I was 13. I had no skill. It was not a test of wits between me and the wild. I sat quietly in a tree until a buck walked by. I raised my .308, sighted, and pulled the trigger. The deer died on the spot. It was no different that fish in a barrel other than it required a mediocre tolerance for boredom.
This is all just a circuitous way of saying that hunting deer IS easy.
Johnny99
Nov 7, 09 6:07
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I like the deer-sticks. The ones that mix pork in.
The more pork in the mix, the better they taste. Hmmm.
tandem
Nov 7, 09 6:12
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Hunting deer is NOT easy, at least with a bow. Its easier to "sneak up" on a deer from 100yrds away, not so easy at 20 yrds. My vote is to hunt, the season is only a few weeks long and you can still train after dark inside. Go get em'
hgrong
Nov 7, 09 6:20
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Hunting deer is NOT easy, at least with a bow. Its easier to "sneak up" on a deer from 100yrds away, not so easy at 20 yrds. My vote is to hunt, the season is only a few weeks long and you can still train after dark inside. Go get em'
Nope. Still easy. I switched to the bow for about two years before giving it all up. Yes, the bow makes it more difficult because the deer has to wander a little closer. But the concept doesn't change. I could still deliver a fatal blow from at least 40 yds. You need slightly better sight lines just because an arrow gets deflected by branches easier than a bullet does. That just means waiting a couple more minutes for the deer to move a few yards. Again, very little skill required (although admittedly more than a rifle), just patience.
tandem
Nov 7, 09 6:34
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I guess we just disagree. Anyway, not doing something because its easy is a dumb reason to stop doing it. I don't find running difficult, been doing it since I was a kid, but I keep doing it. Same with biking and reading for that matter. I continue to do them because I enjoy the activity.
If your argument is that you choose not to hunt anymore because you lost the desire, then good enough. I doubt you quit because it was easy. Boring maybe, but not easy.
hgrong
Nov 7, 09 6:45
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I guess we just disagree. Anyway, not doing something because its easy is a dumb reason to stop doing it. I don't find running difficult, been doing it since I was a kid, but I keep doing it. Same with biking and reading for that matter. I continue to do them because I enjoy the activity.
If your argument is that you choose not to hunt anymore because you lost the desire, then good enough. I doubt you quit because it was easy. Boring maybe, but not easy.
I quit because I didn't see the point. There was no thrill. I found it no different than going to a shooting range other than the target was alive and it required a lot of sitting in a tree. It was boring, provided no challenge, and I could not see any reason to continue.
Exercise is different in my book. Not only do I intrinsically enjoy it, it is also good for me and facilitates my racing. But there is also a challenge involved. I am constantly pushing my limits and testing myself. Exercise is not boring, provides constant challenges, and I can see my reasons to continue.
But my reason for doing one thing over another is tangential at best. The point of my original post was to point out that deer hunting is easy. There may be other reasons to do it, but justifying it on the challenge is a weak argument.
dteed
Nov 7, 09 6:45
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Nice post, agree completely.
Another vote for hunting...I'll be out this afternoon. This time of year is truly amazing in the woods.
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Nov 7, 09 7:10
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Do a persistence hunt. Best of both worlds. Gather a couple of training buddies, separate a whitetail from the group and run the thing to death. You'd have almost no chance of success (so it's sporting as hell), but if you bagged one, you'd be a damned legend.
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Nov 7, 09 7:32
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kill a fucking deer, they are useless tu us unless you eat them. fuck the deer
"According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration there are about 1.5 million car accidents with deer each year that result in $1 billion in vehicle damage, about 150 human fatalities, and over 10,000 personal injuries"
Do us all a favor and kill one of those bastards.
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thedutchtouch
Nov 7, 09 8:27
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hgrong... try out turkey hunting, with a handgun.
i vote hunting, just be safe, and bag a nice one. good luck.
(ps city-dweller here, but luckily i'm not as closeminded as some others.)
hgrong
Nov 7, 09 9:12
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hgrong... try out turkey hunting, with a handgun.
Must say, never tried that one. But I did go into the field once with a guy from my home town who hunted pheasant with a bow. Now that took skill! I was nowhere near able to do that.
idahosundevil
Nov 7, 09 11:00
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* Hunting is not easy (take a look at deer hunting success rates for example -- which are often 20-30%).
While recognizing that there is merit to your other arguments, I have to take issue with this.
As background, yes, I have hunted deer many times in many different parts of the country. Where I grew up, it was expected that young men hunted, so I did. I gave it up many years ago, however.
I stopped because I realized that there is nothing sporting about it. There is very little skill involved; there is no challenge to it. People talk about the "thrill of the hunt." But the way that most deer hunting is done these days, there is no
hunt
per se. For the most part, it involves walking into the woods before dark, climbing into a tree stand, sitting as still as possible, and waiting for a deer to walk within 100 yards (or more depending on the terrain). The fact that the "success rate" is so low does not reflect the difficulty of hunting so much as deer just don't walk by all that often.
I shot deer when I was 13. I had no skill. It was not a test of wits between me and the wild. I sat quietly in a tree until a buck walked by. I raised my .308, sighted, and pulled the trigger. The deer died on the spot. It was no different that fish in a barrel other than it required a mediocre tolerance for boredom.
This is all just a circuitous way of saying that hunting deer IS easy.
Ok, you got me. Hunting from a tree stand IS easy. Obviously there are many different ways to hunt. In the West (not counting Texas, which is an embarrassment), that is typically not how we go about it. To me, and just about every other hunter I know, it is about spot and stalk wilderness mule deer, archery elk during the rut, calling in a spring gobbler, shooting quail and chukar over a pointing dog... all of which are physically demanding, involves skill, are very sporting, and can be quite thrilling. Here you will see <30% success rates and it certainly reflects the challenge involved. Did I mention you have to pack that deer and elk out of the mountains after the kill? Hell, even decoying ducks and geese can be a lot of work and certainly requires practice and skill.
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Nov 7, 09 12:35
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Wow - learned a lot about some you with this thread ...
I understand all sides (grew up hunting, mostly with the stereotypical morons), served in the Army (Ranger/Medic), was a hippy Greenpeace canvaser in undergrad as a Biology major.
My father and I now enjoy our time in the woods more than most anything else (except when we run together - he is still a decent marathoner at 70!). Most of the hunters we know now make over 500K/year and are well educated/captains of industry. FAR from what most people would think.
So funny to hear a narcissistic "triathlete" spew about "hunting" virtues. Wow.
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Nov 7, 09 12:45
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I like the idea that the deer meat that i eat is free of growth hormone and steroids, unlike most of the Kroger meat. The deer lives a completly natural life until I take him or her. A much more humane way for animals to live than living in a cage slightly larger than the body of a chicken of a cow that is available at the local grocery.
X2. It's as organic as you can get.
Yes, this is true. I think most people have no idea where there food comes from or how it is raised and killed. I'm not into hunting myself but can appreciate a beautiful animal and the nutrition it can provide. Hunting can be a humane and healthy way to get food.....or it could be a booze filled shooting fest filled with disrespect. I'd say go hunting if you are the former, and you use all the animal. Waste not.
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