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Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D

 

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joonya

Jul 2, 08 19:04

Post #26 of 120 (2813 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [Triburger] [In reply to] Can't Post

You learn by going to a starter group ride or some training races, instead of going to a club's thursday night tempo ride or a big weekend race never having taken a 90* turn at 25+mph. When you are straight up with roadies and explain you are starting out they will guide you to the right rides/races and explain the etiquette.

Triathletes are sure strong riders, but they tend to have one speed and for that reason wouldn't fair very well in a bike race. Also, there are very few slow roadies. OTOH there are very few fast triathletes.


Captain Awesome

Jul 2, 08 19:04

Post #27 of 120 (2812 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [MuffinTop] [In reply to] Can't Post

Amen.

Unfortunately triathlon has the biggest proportion of 'Look at me' wankers in the entire sporting world. The rest of us are tarred with that same brush.

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bonesbrigade

Jul 2, 08 19:07

Post #28 of 120 (2803 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post

Coming from a mountain bike racing background, we always made fun of roadies for some reason, and tri-guys weren't even on the radar. Over the last few years I've been in the roadie and tri scene, and found out that they both think that mtb'ers just smoke pot and horse around!! It's all pretty funny in the end.

Like someone else pointed out in an earlier post, you can't compare a BOP tri guy with an experienced cat 1 roadie. Just like you can't compare the mtb'er that does horse around to an elite mtb racer.


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Martin C

Jul 2, 08 19:11

Post #29 of 120 (2792 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post

why do I feel the way I do? Tell you a story...

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...steamroller;#1013428


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Learn

Jul 2, 08 19:20

Post #30 of 120 (2758 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [alexZA] [In reply to] Can't Post

Bentos make the bike faster.

It's called fairing.


Learn

Jul 2, 08 19:21

Post #31 of 120 (2750 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [trekman] [In reply to] Can't Post

Really?

Estimating, but 90% of 'roadies' (people who own road bikes and have ridden them once in the last month) will never do a race. 100% of triathletes will, because they are defined by participating in races.


BIGZACH

Jul 2, 08 19:30

Post #32 of 120 (2721 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post




canuck8

Jul 2, 08 19:42

Post #33 of 120 (2689 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [psycholist] [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Roadie here, primarily, as well.

A little story. We have this fast local century. It's pretty flat and lots of folks come out to it to do a personal best time. I've done the thing for years.

So the thing starts this year and I'm off the front with about six riders ... all on road bikes. We've got a nice pace going ... about 24 mph. We're just doing a nice, steady paceline. Though none of us know each other, we each know how to do our part to keep the paceline running smooth and steady. This is perfect. We could keep this up all day (well, maybe not at 24 mph the whole day ... there was a bit of tailwind just there).

Apparently, the chase was on behind us and at about 15 miles we were overtaken at a stop sign by a pack of about 30 riders that included about a dozen folks on tri bikes. So as we get on down the road, I'm sitting about eighth in the line when this asswipe on a Tri bike who's down in his aerobars comes up on my left and forces his way into the line in front of me. All the while, he stays on his aerobars. I sat there a minute and then said, "would you mind not riding your aerobars in the middle of the group here? It's very dangerous." (Aside: I was taken out on this ride by an idiot rider about ten years before. I shattered my kneecap in the crash and lost a year of training/racing/riding.) Asswipe says, "if you knew how many miles I put in on these things, you'd shut up." I said, "What could be more irrelevant. You almost crashed into the guy in front of you when you looked around to tell me that." I also informed him that I do time trials and train many, many miles a week on a TT bike and I'd NEVER ride in a pack on my aerobars. He said something else stupid and then I just pulled out of the line and launched a huge freakin' attack. We were on a small rise in the road and I pegged it at 28 mph and just held it as long as I could. When I decided I'd better throttle back, I pulled to the left (before throttling back, of course) so the next rider could pull through. It was so cool. The only riders with me were the exact same group of riders I was with before Mr. Asswipe and his buddies caught us. It was 200 yards back to the rest of them and that gap just grew 'till we never saw any of them again.

THAT's the kind of thing that makes roadies not like tri guys. UNSAFE and STUPID RIDING! As one of the other posters said, some tri guys are very strong. And tri bikes make it easier for even moderately strong tri folks to keep up with strong roadies on road bikes. Unfortunately, tri guys don't always know the etiquette of riding in groups. Some are willing to listen when you try to tell them. Others are asswipes.

Sorry for that unsavory descriptive. It's just what comes to mind each time I think about that guy and what a jerk he was (and how there's at least one on every ride these days).

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I think your post was very well put into words.

I am essentially a triathlete if I should be stereotyped cause I do not do crits or many road races , primarily due to where I live. But I virtually always train alone so not with triathletes or roadies. I occasionally ride with roadies ( once or twice a year as social rides ).

Whether a roadie or a triathlete ,it is imperative to know the rules of the road ( unless you ride in the desert or Northern Canada ). I made it a poinbt when I started training , to learn what is adviseable to do in groups and heavy traffic. I would guesstimate that 90% is just basic common sense and courtesy to fellow athletes ( tri or roadie ) to make the pack safe for all.

I don't really like hearing negativity between triathletes and roadies / swimmers / or runners as we are all just trying to be better athletes in an individual discipline or multiple sports. Although I too, spend a fair amount of time on the tarmac I do not have the mental experience to state an opinion on one or the others' habits.

Regarding the original posters' thread , I often see packs of cyclists outside of my local coffee shop on the weekends and like in any group of people , there are individuals that from a "visual" perspective anyway "standout'.

Safe riding to all :)

Terry


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garageman

Jul 2, 08 19:48

Post #34 of 120 (2674 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [xraycharlie] [In reply to] Can't Post

Whatevr hes got, I want some.


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tri_bri2

Jul 2, 08 19:57

Post #35 of 120 (2648 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [tegra] [In reply to] Can't Post

"...and don't even get me started about why competitive swimmers mock triathletes. two words: swim caps. 'nuff said."

Umm--just watching the Olympic swimming trials tonight. Those guys were all wearing swim caps. If swimmers mock triathletes it's probably because a lot of triathletes don't swim too well. But then, I've never heard a swimmer mock a triathlete, so I wouldn't know. Most swimmers are probably glad they don't have to bike and run after their event.


TRIA3SM

Jul 2, 08 20:00

Post #36 of 120 (2636 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [alexZA] [In reply to] Can't Post

weight on the bike isn't to much of a factor for the average triathlete. considering they aren't doing much sprinting and hard accelerations


Devlin

Jul 2, 08 20:01

Post #37 of 120 (2629 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [tegra] [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To







all of these pictures were taken off of slowtwitch. seriously, if your bike is up here, you have a problem. fix it. please. you're giving us all a bad name :(

and don't even get me started about why competitive swimmers mock triathletes. two words: swim caps. 'nuff said.

  Fuck you. Some of us can't afford any better. We make the do the best we can with what we have.

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Tri2HaveFun

Jul 2, 08 20:41

Post #38 of 120 (2554 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post

You forgot to mention that triathletes on their tri bikes can ride very fast all by themselves, while roadies always seem to need a group in order to ride fast. It's as if roadies can only sustain a hard effort for a brief period.
Don

Tri-ing to have fun. Anything else is just a bonus!


toolguy

Jul 3, 08 5:25

Post #39 of 120 (2302 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [Tri2HaveFun] [In reply to] Can't Post

Roadie here,trust me i can ride my road bike pretty fast,do not need a group


toolguy

Jul 3, 08 5:34

Post #40 of 120 (2270 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post

I come here and people want to beat up roadies,over in a commuter forum i look at they are always beating up roadies for wearing KITS,you pick up a MTB mag there making fun of the roadies. Everone makes fun of the fixy guys WTF? I see the MTBers wearing roadie type clothing now,i see triathletes wanting to ride roadies rides and buying road bikes,never see roadies wanting to ride with the tri guys I have 2 commuter bikes 3 road bikes 3 tt bikes 2 mtb bikes I am just glad to see people riding!!


Fleck

Jul 3, 08 5:41

Post #41 of 120 (2250 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [SpencerDC] [In reply to] Can't Post

Having spent plenty of time in both worlds, I find that the overwhelming number of roadies and triathletes have tremendous respect for the other. In fact we are kindred spirits at heart which is why triathletes are some of the most fanatical cycling fans around and vice-versa. If you're a strong and competent rider no one cares what label you attatch to yourself.

Agreed. I have had my feet in both camps since the early days. Never had a problem going back and forth and have only experienced mutual respect. My wife is the same. She road races Sen 1 & 2 and is a professuional triathlete. However, I have seen more than a few triathletes who behave like psycholist's story relates - triathletes who just don't seem to get it at all. Who at the least can be disruptive and at the worst can be down-right dangerous. If you will excuse the pun, I steer well clear of these folks!

It's odd to me, because there is way more to gain for the triathlete to ride/train with roadies than the other way around.

Steve Fleck
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psycholist

Jul 3, 08 5:43

Post #42 of 120 (2246 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [Tri2HaveFun] [In reply to] Can't Post

You forgot to mention that triathletes on their tri bikes can ride very fast all by themselves, while roadies always seem to need a group in order to ride fast. It's as if roadies can only sustain a hard effort for a brief period.
Don


Don,

I vote yours the stupidest post on the thread.

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Bob C.

Wreaking vengence on the young.


Fleck

Jul 3, 08 5:51

Post #43 of 120 (2226 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [psycholist] [In reply to] Can't Post

I vote yours the stupidest post on the thread.

Agreed.

Clearly, with respect, this person has never ridden with a good group of road riders. Yes, a key component of road cycling is the jump - the ability to accelerate hard and to ride very hard for short periods of time. But that's just one aspect of road cycling.

As I said in my previous post, the odd thing that I find is the triathlete has way more to gain from riding/training with road cyclists than the other way around!

Steve Fleck
steve@nineteenwetsuits.com
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http://stevefleck.blogspot.com


Fleck

Jul 3, 08 5:58

Post #44 of 120 (2203 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [toolguy] [In reply to] Can't Post

I have 2 commuter bikes 3 road bikes 3 tt bikes 2 mtb bikes

You should open up a bike shop! :)

Agreed with your general sentiment - it's all about CYCLING!

The funny thing is that what triathletes do is very one dimensional, but many don't see it that way. Not that it matters, but there is a whole wide world of CYCLING out there that should be recognized and embraced.

Steve Fleck
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http://stevefleck.blogspot.com


IKnowEverything

Jul 3, 08 6:04

Post #45 of 120 (2190 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [softrun] [In reply to] Can't Post

Just an interesting article.... written by a triathlete, to "educate" triathletes as to many of the reasons roadies get irritated with triathletes, but more importantly... how to mitigate those reasons!!

http://www.coach-al.com/..._issue03.htm#header5


Hid

Jul 3, 08 6:04

Post #46 of 120 (2188 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [Fleck] [In reply to] Can't Post

I ride with roadies a lot. But I gotta tell ya...anytime I ride past (even groups that I regularly ride with) on my tri bike...I get weird looks and attitude. Especially if I am passing a large pack.

And on the dangerous side. If I'm passing your line and everyone makes it a point to come sit on my wheel...well it becomes your responsibility to watch for braking or my moving out of the way of obstacles. And don't get so pissed when your line gets dropped by my acceleration.


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http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...0what%20to%20;#65849


JohnG

Jul 3, 08 6:04

Post #47 of 120 (2187 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [psycholist] [In reply to] Can't Post

I am always amused at how, what essentially a joke post, turns into a pissing match. Good points on both side (Bob & Martin OOUUCCHH) but can't people just get the joke?
j


Drew_O

Jul 3, 08 6:57

Post #48 of 120 (2073 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [JohnG] [In reply to] Can't Post

Triathletes fail to follow these "simple" rules:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/...6007&status=True

While roadies do tend to be more style conscious, almost to a fault, I'd also say that many triathletes swing it a bit too far the other direction. Filthy bikes, stuff held together with tape, ratty unmatched kit, gunked out drivetrain, skipping rear der etc. And we're talking people on $5k+ bikes, who just don't bother with upkeep.

Where I live, the strong roadies and strong triathletes train together quite a bit. Everyone knows and respects everyone else, triathletes stay out of the bars when riding in groups, it's all good.


M~

Jul 3, 08 7:04

Post #49 of 120 (2050 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [trekman] [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
LOL,funny post! But I think most roadies could ride most triathletes into the ground.

 
I would hope so. Anytime a single sport athlete can't beat a multisport athlete, it may be time to change sports for the single sporter. Although there is a multisporter in my club that smokes the roadies on their weekly ride each week. It's fun to watch...from a distance.


TriBriGuy

Jul 3, 08 7:16

Post #50 of 120 (1998 views)
Re: Revelation...why roadies have "issues" with trathletes :D [Fleck] [In reply to] Can't Post

"I vote yours the stupidest post on the thread.

Agreed.

Clearly, with respect, this person has never ridden with a good group of road riders. Yes, a key component of road cycling is the jump - the ability to accelerate hard and to ride very hard for short periods of time. But that's just one aspect of road cycling."


x3.

Whenever I start to think I'm getting somewhere with my bike fitness, I head out with my road racing buddies. I get humbled pretty quick.

At the end of the day, though...I still don't get the whole us vs. them thing. I was a road rider more than a triathlete in my younger days. I don't remember there being much difference or issue.

I'd suggest if you start noticing differences between you and other riders on the road...its time to look in the mirror.

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