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BMANX
Feb 4, 10 8:40
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This is the system that all ITU aerobars should use. That would be the easiest system to allow ITU athletes to clip on some aerobars and match them up with a flat bar drop bar like you have. I could buy one for sure. Just a simple T shape extension coming out straight from the stem.
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toolguy
Feb 5, 10 6:58
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You have any photos of these seat post /parts? I am rebuilding a GT superbike3 and have had to make a lot of post parts.
jeremyb
Feb 5, 10 20:30
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This needed to be added to this thread:
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I designed the original bar in, Nov/Dec '87, in my studio in Indianapolis. I thought at the time, after sharing my design ideas, etc., with Profile, I had a verbal agreement about royalties, etc., that i could trust. I was paid a paltry design fee, and then was shut out completely. The picture you post is the 2nd generation 'Add-Aero" with the internal telescoping wedge, (Profile's upgrade vs my collet clamp) that they ended up patenting in '91/'92. I was not listed as the inventor.
At the time I had designed the bar, I was unaware of the Scott clip-on, patented by Boone Lennon. I just thought that the 'triangular bar, Scott & Profile, wasn't the way of the future.
So we have the '88 TDF, and therafter things changed forever.
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clyde_s_dale
Feb 5, 10 20:38
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Re: Retro TT stuff [jeremyb]
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I think the lack of top tube was an obree inspired thing- (i am speaking from reading elsewhere, unlike others i of course was totally uninvolved)
obree's custom made bikes had no top tubes originally- he did this because he felt knee position (very knock need almost touching) was really important, and if you have a toptube you cant bend your knees in for aerodynamics...
ive tried ridign that way, and it makes my knees hurt in 15 seconds...
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R10C
Feb 5, 10 20:47
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Dont make me have to go to the attic and bust out the Scott 100k bars....
Wait, I am moving soon and am going to have to get them and all the other stuff out....
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jeremyb
Feb 5, 10 20:48
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R10C
Feb 5, 10 21:00
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Power Cranks.
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lacticturkey
Feb 5, 10 23:53
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the scott 100k bars were very minimal... i think the next version were called Y1 bars (above) which only had one strut and you held it with one hand above the other , moving one shifter to the frame , with brakes angled like fishhooks on the side ...
from another post i made in...
Re: What 'high tech' gadgets does Chrissie Wellington use? Do you need the gadgets to be great? [Tom A.]
1 piece aerobars (scott 100k bars) ...
http://www.peletoneast.com/...986&d=1245767691
trilite bars....
the slingshot frame ...
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fatallightning
Feb 6, 10 0:14
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my bike, although now it has risers and spoked rear and is just a cruiser.
flying wombat
Feb 6, 10 1:21
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Re: Retro TT stuff [luckyleese]
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The Jim Felt engineered "drop cranks" that Paula used. If she were racing today the forum would be agog with excitement and threads dedicated to them and (almost) everybody would be rushing out to buy a set.
I recall that the idea behind the drop cranks was that on the downstroke pedalling force essentially "tipped" them forwards thus effectively lengthening crank length on the downstroke. Big chainrings to go with her 24 inch wheels.
They did increase stance width or "Q factor" but supposedly PNF preferred the wider stance.
Kevin
p.s. best thread ever! There was so much innovation from the 80's through the 90's that if the UCI hadnt stifled innovation what bikes, bars and positions we would be seeing now.
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jackmott
Feb 6, 10 5:50
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Re: Retro TT stuff [jeremyb]
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damn dude
feel like should I paypal you a dollar or something.
reminds me of the bit I just read in cryptonomicon where lawerence waterhouse is proudly showing a general his invention of the digital computer, while the general furiously takes notes to steal it for his computing machine business back home =)
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I designed the original bar in, Nov/Dec '87, in my studio in Indianapolis. I thought at the time, after sharing my design ideas, etc., with Profile, I had a verbal agreement about royalties, etc., that i could trust. I was paid a paltry design fee, and then was shut out completely. The picture you post is the 2nd generation 'Add-Aero" with the internal telescoping wedge, (Profile's upgrade vs my collet clamp) that they ended up patenting in '91/'92. I was not listed as the inventor.
At the time I had designed the bar, I was unaware of the Scott clip-on, patented by Boone Lennon. I just thought that the 'triangular bar, Scott & Profile, wasn't the way of the future.
So we have the '88 TDF, and therafter things changed forever.
Ken Nowakowski
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jackmott
Feb 6, 10 5:53
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This *is* the best thread ever, we should copyright it or something before the industry scans through it for new ideas.
I think I've figured out how dave scott was so fast without any technology
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gabbiev
Feb 6, 10 5:55
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Funny--I went back to the 100K bars last season and found them to be extremely fast. I had set my all time PR for 10 miles on them and thought that I'd do some formal testing on them. Had them on my P3C and will be putting a set on my CD 0.1 this weekend as part of a new build. Still one of the best aerobars that were ever made--light, solid, and fast. I just bought another set on Ebay last week for $15, including shipping--you can find them for auction occasionally.
jeffp
Feb 6, 10 7:23
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and profile's use of square clamps for round bars, now that was
a wonderful idea!!
jeremyb
Feb 6, 10 7:37
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the scott 100k bars were very minimal... i think the next version were called Y1 bars (above) which only had one strut and you held it with one hand above the other , moving one shifter to the frame , with brakes angled like fishhooks on the side ...
Those wheels remind me a lot of
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Ken Nowakowski
Feb 6, 10 7:52
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At the time, not all handlebar clamp diameters were the same (Cinelli 26.4mm, TTT & others 26.0).
The hand grip cross section was different on a variety of bars as well.
I began with the V-Block design to be universal in application to bars available, fully realizing that a mating I.D. & O.D. would have been optimal, and presuming that the V-block design would be adequate.
I was not involved long enough after the initial period to do any re-design, bebugging, etc.
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jeremyb
Feb 6, 10 7:56
Post #192 of 563 (4165 views)
Re: Retro TT stuff [BMAN]
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This is the system that all ITU aerobars should use. That would be the easiest system to allow ITU athletes to clip on some aerobars and match them up with a flat bar drop bar like you have. I could buy one for sure. Just a simple T shape extension coming out straight from the stem.
Jtek makes something similar:
http://jtekengineering.com/jtek_Axe_aerobar.htm
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Tom A.
Feb 6, 10 9:03
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mustaches
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Hehehe...I've been working on that ;-)
BMANX
Feb 6, 10 9:16
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I am talking about something just a lot more simply in design. Everyone wants to over engineer everything.
Make it as simple as possible.
Just a very simpe T shaped extension that mounted to the stem like shown but with maybe an aero shaped front wing that is at the maximum distance allowed. That is it. No armrest, brackets or anything else. Just a very simple aero fronted T.
AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT
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Tom A.
Feb 6, 10 9:23
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Dont make me have to go to the attic and bust out the Scott 100k bars....
Wait, I am moving soon and am going to have to get them and all the other stuff out....
Some of us still use them ;-)
BMANX
Feb 6, 10 9:39
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On ebay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/...?hash=item56395e3ec9
AERO & LIGHT is RIGHT
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R10C
Feb 6, 10 9:51
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Very nice! Love the reverse cable in the levers.
I bet at races folks try to figure out what bars those are and ask at their LBS who will have no idea.
I would also bet they are at least 1-2lbs lighter than many of the current carbon bar/stem combo's out today.
I never could get used to the Extreme though, shifting was a PITA if you wanted the F-Der to be up there too - and I would pinch my fingers in them climbing...
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Tom A.
Feb 6, 10 10:04
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Very nice! Love the reverse cable in the levers.
I bet at races folks try to figure out what bars those are and ask at their LBS who will have no idea.
I would also bet they are at least 1-2lbs lighter than many of the current carbon bar/stem combo's out today.
I never could get used to the Extreme though, shifting was a PITA if you wanted the F-Der to be up there too - and I would pinch my fingers in them climbing...
The levers are actually CX levers that are intended to be run inline between the normal road lever and the brake...which is why there's an adjuster on that side of them. They also allow me to easily put brake levers up at the shifters if I ever so desire ;-)
jeffp
Feb 6, 10 10:15
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yeah, but in my experience, they tended to slip unless you tightened them enough that they deformed the bars, which was bad.
lacticturkey
Feb 6, 10 10:40
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thanks for the explanation ... PNF used those at least twice in hawaii.. was curious as to the what and why and how but info was scarce .
A totally different deformation for "better power transfer" (often voted worst cycling product ever) ...
PMP cranks ...
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