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tri-a-3some
Aug 25, 08 17:25
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hi, I want to incorporate weight lifting in to my training. ! have done lifting in the past but have dropped it almost completely except for messing around at my buds house mabey once a weekk . My goal is to get faster at the run/swim and do not want over bulkyness to slow me down.( I know low rep/lots of pounds=bulk and what not, but am curious to hear what yall would have someone lift, if lift anything at all. I swim three times a week for around 30 minutes, averae 25-30 miles on the run and bike around 5-6 hours on an average week I am about 5'10, 140-145, 15 yers old, max is 190 bench, 95 curl, and 310 squat if this helps or changes anything.
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tri_me
Aug 25, 08 17:33
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Hey Man when you are a young developing athlete lifting weights is not needed. You need to grow to your full potential before lifting will do anything beneficial. What you can do are the common dryland workouts (situps/ab work, push ups, walking lunge's. . . do a google search and you should find so good stuff) to build strength and add a little cross training. Also if you want to get faster in the swim you need to swim more/more often. Maybe join a local swim team.
tigerchik
Aug 25, 08 17:37
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All the muscle you need to swim, you can build by swimming. I gained my freshman 15 in swimmer muscle. Lifting makes you a stronger, which does not necessarily = faster. Furthermore, tri swimming = distance, it's not sprint freestyle (where lifting might help).
3 x 30 min swim is precious little. You are in high school, join the swim team --- that swim background is one of the best things you can do for your tri performance!
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desert dude
Aug 25, 08 17:44
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the literature does not support lifting to improve swimming but it does support lifting to make you lift more. Specificty, practice it to get faster, iow you want to swim faster then get into the pool a lot more. You want to lift more then lift more.
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Aug 25, 08 18:03
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Bob Bowman says guys in sports like swimming shouldn't lift until somewhere around age 18-19, and I'd say he gets pretty good results from his swimmers.
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Aug 25, 08 18:22
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if there's one thing I wish I could change in my life, it would be to go back to high school and join the swim team.
Learn to go fast first, then learn to go long. No need to lift for swimming (yet) but it doesn't hurt to start adding it to your healthy lifestyle / routine. Learn good form and do a total body lifting routine. If you go heavy in any area (or intense), make it your core. Same w/ running... get on the track team and get coached, learn good running form. Work your way up from shorter distances to the longer ones, and find your niche.
I once read that the perfect runner (for a coach to coach) would be someone that started out at the 100m distance and gradually moved up in distance. Anyone can learn to go long, it's the gifted few that can do it with good form and go long AND fast. You learn that speed by running fast in training.
Like the others said, to get better at swimming, swim; and running, run - and realize that you're only young once. Go fast now, go long later. When you're over 30 you can worry about lifting weights.
Devlin
Aug 25, 08 18:34
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You bench more than your weight. You're fine. Spend zero time in the weight room and a little more on your English homework. For the rest of your training, I'd suggest the swim team as well. You may have a hard time on the team if they are extremely competitive (Unless you know all the strokes), but talk to the coach, it can't hurt. ;)
good luck!
John
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fitgirl111
Aug 25, 08 18:35
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Hi:
I am a personal trainer and a NCCP certified triathlon competition coach. If I were to train you I would probably use functional weight training rather than use machines. Use a swiss ball to do squats against the wall with weights, dumbells and a bosu ball, pull ups on the a gravitron, and a lot of tubing, and balance work, combined with a lot of functional core work. Forget bench pressing. The training I have done with my clients working weights and function has given great results and they have not loss any of their flexibility.
tonyoh
Aug 25, 08 21:14
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I am a "supporter" or weight training, but it should be a supplement to the training (in most cases). I will agree with most of the others, your first priority is more swimming, and get into a squad if you can! Just be consistent, but that would be the first priority, and have fun!
ston_ar
Aug 25, 08 22:00
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Hi:
I am a personal trainer and a NCCP certified triathlon competition coach. If I were to train you I would probably use functional weight training rather than use machines. Use a swiss ball to do squats against the wall with weights, dumbells and a bosu ball, pull ups on the a gravitron, and a lot of tubing, and balance work, combined with a lot of functional core work. Forget bench pressing. The training I have done with my clients working weights and function has given great results and they have not loss any of their flexibility.
This is what I did when I was your age. No heavy lifting at all, just body weight, bands and med balls; that and swim a whole lot
tigerchik
Aug 26, 08 4:52
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This is what I did when I was your age. No heavy lifting at all, just body weight, bands and med balls; that and swim a whole lot
when I was a 15yo swimming, it was just the 9k-in-the-water-a-practice routine... no heavy lifting... no lifting at all!
I still say to the OP, ignore the advice everyone's giving you on this thread (except maybe desert dude, 'cuz he just echoed what I said ;-) join the swim team and do what your coach says
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Aug 26, 08 6:59
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If you have a good swim or running coach, do what he/she says. For most triathletes, more running, biking, swimming is needed to improve and weightlifting should be of the lowest priority.
I completely stopped weights for 2 years and improved a lot during that time span. Many other factors involved though. However, with my swimming, now I am at a point where I need to start lifting weights again to continue to improve. I have a very good and knowledgable swim coach. I have increased my swimming up to a point where I feel like my arms are always tired. I don't get that out of breath, but my arms ache. According to my coach, my technique is not a problem anymore, even when my arms are getting tired. I just need to increase my strength. And swimming more laps is just breaking down my muscles further. I have resisted this for awhile, because I felt like to get better at swimming, I just needed to swim more and miprove my technique, but I have done that and have plateaued, so, in some cases, I think strength training is necessary. In my case, I have a small runners build and have a hard time putting on weight and muscle so swimming a lot just makes me skinnier.
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timh47
Aug 27, 08 21:04
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Okay you're 15, I would doubt your squating over 300 and benching close to 200 Lbs. As a former Division I strength coach it was hard to get most of my male sprinters lifting that much. When I was your age I did dryland, tubing, abs, some running, med balls, bodyweight exercises, ect. I never really lifted weights in college as a Distance swimmer, except in pre-season. We would swim 12,000-17,000k a day and the extra added soreness would mess practice up for a few days at least for me. In those days nutrition was not a high priority and I walked around dehydrated most days, but hindsight is 20-20. If you are looking to become a distance swimmer, lifting may benefit you in the future, but wait a few years. Leg strength is great for the bike and run, but I am not kicking like crazy in my tri swims, plus there are no walls to push off of. If you are hell-bent on lifting stick to more back than chest exercises. There are 19 muscle attatchments on the scapula, and many shoulder problems occur from inefficiecent firing patterns in the scapula. Chest exercise will over exaggerate a neanderthal posture that will get enough work slumped over a computer all day. Your knees need to be at a 90 degree angle for me to call it a rep in my gym. No quarter squats! Stick with bodyweight (push-ups/pull-ups), med balls, planks, rotator cuff work. By the way if you are testing how much you can curl, you are way off the mark if you feel that doing bicep curls will do anything for your swimming! Another note good luck doing a 300 lbs. ball squat (LOL).
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desert dude
Aug 27, 08 21:20
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join the swim team and do what your coach says
Gee didn't I give that same advice to you once, about swimming in college instead of with Hoddington and those guys?
But seriously the OP should forget about lifting weights and think about actually swimming if he wants to be faster.
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tigerchik
Aug 28, 08 1:33
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mmm, I think I need a SMALL college swim team, not one that I dive in and feel trapped and start panicking because there are too many other people around me. Nor do I want to have to deal with all the college medical people.
I think it's time for me to go run a little, I'm cranky.
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