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Letter from an Ironman widow
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Hi, there. Remember me? I'm the one you promised oh-so-many-year-ago to love and cherish for all eternity. And I don't remember there being an exception made for Ironman years. Maybe you whispered that part.

I know that crossing that finish line takes an incredible amount of hard work. And I admire that effort; you know I do. You have inspired me with your ability to come home from work and do a five-hour ride on the trainer because it's getting too dark to do it on the road. I am in awe of your discipline. I could use some of that myself.

But do you really think about what your family is sacrificing to get you to that finish line? And I mean, Really. Think. About. It. We've given up any free time with you; when you are around, you're so beat from working out that you're really not there anyway. A family trip to Europe would have been lovely this year. But that money got spent on gear and coaching and massages and physical therapy and Gatorade. (Remind me to buy their stock next year.) That's ok. I've been able to use the time we would have spent on vacation to do all the chores that need doing around here, because you're too busy to help out anymore. Working, cooking a nutritious dinner every night, keeping the house clean and in good repair, paying the bills, showing up at all the kids' activities, and hiring babysitters so I can at least go out with the girls keeps me busy. And it keeps my mind off the fact that an Ironman is too busy and tired for sex.

I know I sound mad. Really, I try not to be. But I feel very taken for granted. Maybe you could think about showing some love for what your Ironman widow puts up with. Maybe your buddies here will have some suggestions. Or maybe they could use some ideas themselves. (You know, I might just be YOUR IronWidow.) Or maybe they'll just feel sorry for you and be glad I'm not their spouse. If so, I hope they can refrain from mentioning it; I'm having a bad day, and I don't think I could take it. Besides, I think I probably speak for most Ironman widows when I say that I AM proud of my Ironman; you are a rare and special kind of person. But you know, so am I. So am I.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Try buying him a brand new set of zipps... it'll work wonders..
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. I'll be sure to make certain my wife never reads this thread!

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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That is why my wife and I train together. Why wallow in self pity when there is real pain to be felt out there on the road. Get out there get er done.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [dman] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, and no one is ever to tired for sex. That just cant be.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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"too...tired for sex" ? I don't think I've ever been that tired. EVER!
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [rubberchicken] [ In reply to ]
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I missed that part on the first read.

NO man (Iron, or other) is EVER too tired for sex.


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for posting this, IronWidow.
My wife and I are in the middle of this very conversation/debate these days so I'll be watching the thread hoping for some serious replies that offer real help on a topic for once. I know, may be a long-shot here, tho!
Best of luck to you and your Ironman.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Perhaps you're rubbish at sex?

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I think you're being awfully selfish...certain elements of your post remind me of an email the GF sent me recently:





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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [show pony] [ In reply to ]
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Post of the day!

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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IronWidow,

Thank you for your letter. This thread has the makings of a classic.

Regards,

Fatty
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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you are a rare and special kind of person. But you know, so am I. So am I.

Yes you are.

Ironman training can be an incredibly selfish and self centered think to do. I hope that your ironman rcognizes that and knows that he owes everyone in his family who have supported him in chasing his dream.

I hope that his race is coming up soon. So often it is right near the end, when the training hours have piled up, that not only is the ironman's body tiring out, so is his family's good will. If you can, keep supporting him thru race day, and then after a little while, have a little discussion with him about the cost to his family of his ironman training. He is probably having the time of his life and may not notice that cost. He needs to be told. But, if you can, wait until he is done. If you can't, tell him now. No race is worth a marriage, certainly not a good marriage and, well, you sound like a keeper to me and it sounds like you think he is too.

Grant

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [show pony] [ In reply to ]
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bahahahah... thank you for that! :D


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Kelly? Baby? Is that you sweetheart? Kel-Kel?


Awwww shit...... I'll be back.....

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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And it keeps my mind off the fact that an Ironman is too busy and tired for sex.



Yeah? You post a picture of yourself and I'll pm you my address!!!


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I feel like this belongs here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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too busy and tired for sex.
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rare and special kind of person. But you know, so am I. So am I.
...makes me think some pics are in order. There's clearly something missing here....

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how many guys out there are praying this isn't their wife?

Seriously this is an issue I have discussed with my SO on many occasions (well except the sex part since...well we are married). My goal is to never (ok...rarely) let training impact family life. I get up at O'dark thirty, go on Sat long rides at 6:00AM and one last thing...never complain how tired you are even when you are dieing. It is just a hobby...never forget that.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Take a hot shower, walk it off and stop whining...

Your husband needs to do this in order to get that nifty M-dot tattoo.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Raul] [ In reply to ]
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And it keeps my mind off the fact that an Ironman is too busy and tired for sex.



Yeah? You post a picture of yourself and I'll pm you my address!!!

And cue Chip in three......two......one......



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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interesting post. wow, it sounds like you and your spouse should have been discussing this during the timeframes involved. Yes, it is a very selfish activity, ironman, and I for one, realizing it discussed it thoroughly with my spouse (and children) before training for an ironman, during the training after, and before the next one. If my spouse felt like you do, I would quit the sport in a heartbeat.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Fatty] [ In reply to ]
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The famous Sergio thread just took a backseat to this one. I'm envisioning record-breaking views and replies.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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yeah something's definitely missing...maybe you just need to give him some oral sex and cook him a nice meal?? just a thought

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [TriBodyboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Post of the day!

I'd give it a 10 on the vomitous scale

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Okay, to get serious for a moment. IronWidow, please have your husband post his side of the story. And then we here at ST will attempt to mediate the matter between you.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how many guys out there are praying this isn't their wife?

Seriously this is an issue I have discussed with my SO on many occasions (well except the sex part since...well we are married). My goal is to never (ok...rarely) let training impact family life. I get up at O'dark thirty, go on Sat long rides at 6:00AM and one last thing...never complain how tired you are even when you are dieing. It is just a hobby...never forget that.
Quit trying to absolve your guilt! Ha, ha. I have two young kids and do the same. My long rides for IMLP, I was leaving the house around 5:30am and finishing the workout by lunchtime. Sunday was always my training day off, so I have tried in all 3 of my IM's to minimize the impact to the family, but it required a tightly-choreographed schedule each day. No evening workouts ever for me, which of course my wife loves.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Fatty] [ In reply to ]
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Okay, to get serious for a moment. IronWidow, please have your husband post his side of the story. And then we here at ST will attempt to mediate the matter between you.
Mediate?

First we need to determine the validity of the complainant, before we can even begin to assess the impact on their connubial bliss. Who's to say it's not just some random person trying to destroy the equilibrium of the board?

For that matter, maybe it's someone in a very competitive AG, that has a very close rival on the board, and this is a post designed to get their mind off training for that critical period, having them think "Maybe I should forgo that last training session and spend time with the spouse", resulting in a less than competitive IM.

There are implications and repercussions to be considered here, man!! We can't just willynilly start mediating things...that's how government got started!

John



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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"We can't just willynilly start mediating things"- hahahahaha. This thread is going to be epic!

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IRONMOSS] [ In reply to ]
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The famous Sergio thread just took a backseat to this one. I'm envisioning record-breaking views and replies.
Maybe this is The Sergio's way of trying to get us to forget about that thread...


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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it seems to me that the simply fact that it bothers one spouse makes it "valid".
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [TriBodyboarder] [ In reply to ]
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I just try to _minimize_ the impact on the family.

Getting up at 0dark30 means going to bed early. The kids are asleep
but the Iron Sherpa is not. I'm also crankier at night.

I workout in the mornings, but also try to go at lunch for the second
workout of the day (when they are called for).

Missed several workouts on vacation.

There are still sacrifices. I remind the IronSherpa that she
has the job she wanted. I'm not sure I can say the same but
I do it anyway.

It's training or my liver. I choose training and do whatever I can
to minimize the impact. IM is selfish. I don't want her to have
to pay too high a price, so I won't make her get the tattoo. ;)

-Jot
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [M Calarco] [ In reply to ]
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I've been able to use the time we would have spent on vacation to do all the chores that need doing around here, because you're too busy to help out anymore. Working, cooking a nutritious dinner every night, keeping the house clean and in good repair, paying the bills, showing up at all the kids' activities, and hiring babysitters so I can at least go out with the girls keeps me busy. And it keeps my mind off the fact that an Ironman is too busy and tired for sex.


No sympathy here. I'm the Ironwoman at my house. Not only do I do all my training first thing in the morning b/c it would be completely untolerated for me to be gone in the evenings with church, swim lessons (kids), t-ball and such, but I also have to do all the above mentioned (except the going out with the girls stuff;no time for that) stuff on my own b/c my husband won't help. Before you go bitching try doing all that and training on top of it with absolutely no support. Compared to a lot of people you have it pretty good.




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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I know I sound mad. Really, I try not to be. But I feel very taken for granted. Maybe you could think about showing some love for what your Ironman widow puts up with. Maybe your buddies here will have some suggestions. Or maybe they could use some ideas themselves. (You know, I might just be YOUR IronWidow.) Or maybe they'll just feel sorry for you and be glad I'm not their spouse. If so, I hope they can refrain from mentioning it; I'm having a bad day, and I don't think I could take it. Besides, I think I probably speak for most Ironman widows when I say that I AM proud of my Ironman; you are a rare and special kind of person. But you know, so am I. So am I.
If you are posting this here as a way of reaching your husband your marriage needs serious help.

If you registered with ST today and made this your first post just to troll then you need serious help.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [do140.6] [ In reply to ]
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Just hold back on him until he helps. Smile
Do you wash his clothes? Do his dishes? Cooking? Clean the house?
Sounds like strike time to me.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [TriMike] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how many guys out there are praying this isn't their wife?[/quote] Or praying that it is.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [bigRingKing] [ In reply to ]
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yeah something's definitely missing...maybe you just need to give him some oral sex and cook him a nice meal?? just a thought

Robert Flanigan

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I am sure this is not, hopefully, the first time this has been brought up in your relationship. How many people do not realize the amazing things that they have until they have pissed them away by being selfish and self-centered? Obsession and addiction to anything is unhealthy. Good luck in finding a healthy balance in your relationship.



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry for not jumping on the love fest here, but are you serious? What kind of passive-aggressive bullshit is this? If you can't talk to your husband like an adult, your relationship's got bigger problems than his training.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Will you marry me?

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I said you and the rug rats could run down the finish line with me. Now get back in the kitchen!
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [MuffinTop] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry for not jumping on the love fest here, but are you serious? What kind of passive-aggressive bullshit is this? If you can't talk to your husband like an adult, your relationship's got bigger problems than his training.
Okay, good, I see the mediating has begun . . .
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how many guys out there are praying this isn't their wife?[/quote] Or praying that it is.
Good point. All I got out of that message was: "you need to do me more often". If your wife has to bitch about something, you really aren't going to beat that...

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Record10Carbon] [ In reply to ]
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post 43? You're slipping...

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [hjghost] [ In reply to ]
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Okay boys...who ever has heard "you ride that bike more than you ride me" please raise your hand.



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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a 6 hour ride will solve all of your problems...but only if it's followed by a 3 hour run on Sunday.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [bigRingKing] [ In reply to ]
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Okay Okay...I cry foul! That is EASILY on par with "I think you should @#$ on her face"....and the hell I got for that.


Bravo.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [TriBodyboarder] [ In reply to ]
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Jay,
I hear ya!

My wife and I made peace with my Ironman training after the first one and she usually gives me one "come to Jesus" lecture during the final weeks leading up to the race. I've survived 5 since and it usually works out well. She made a comment one time after a day away on a long ride...
"doing triathlons has become one of the best things about you and I don't want to change that...BUT, remember to balance things out with us".

It helps that I coach two of my kids travelling soccer teams and do all of the practices. That way I am guaranteed to be done with the training before I go home.

what I did to adjust was...
1)get up early and do what i need to in the early morning.
2) run or swim at lunch
3) MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS DINNER AT 6:15 SHARP.
4) ride after everyone goes to bed if i missed the a.m. workout.
5) long ride on Saturdays EARLY
6)long run on Sunday before Church(bonus points for going to church and not falling asleep)
7) give her oral sex and make sure I cook her a good meal...

BTW: thanks for the See's candy, you didn't have to do that!!! A big hit too! One of her friends brings it back to Pa. when she visits California
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Will you marry me?
Huh. Later than I thought you would jump in...

Get hung up at the post office/UPS shipping?



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like a fake post me. And if it is real, it doesn't sound like IM training is the big problem in the marriage if she's posting this here instead of actually having this discussion with her husband face to face.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently your husband is not a trust fund baby, pro triathlete independently wealthy, or recently retired so he needs to get a better job where he can train during normal work hours or come to the realization that there's always going to be someone faster...who doesn't need to work as many hours. Hopefully he will qualify for Kona s oon and get that out of his system, or otherwise come to the realization that his worth in this world is not tied to "sub-10." I trained up to 23 hours/week in 2003 to qualify, with a wife and two kids, but had a lot of freedom at work. My wife supported me through that and enjoyed a great family vacation to Hawaii. Now I train about 6 hours/week doing sprints and Olympic Distance. There are million arguments against my statement, but there is no way a normal person can balance a demanding job, family, and intimacy off doing something without their spouse or kids for 15 to 20 hours per week. My weekends are consumed with kids' lacrosse games, swim meets, cutting the grass, and sneaking a date with the Mrs.. The idea of riding 5 hours on Saturday and running 3 on Sunday is long gone. Thanks for playing.


Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [jaylew] [ In reply to ]
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swimfan?



I miss you "Sports Night"
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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You go girl......
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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When I saw the title of this thread I seriously thought it was going to be a letter from someone who's husband actually died in an IM... duh. I'm glad it's not.

Good luck with your marriage.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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This problem does not just occur with Ironman. I hear complaints about husbands who hunt all weekend, surf all weekend, plan every work free moment around a hobby. It's complicated and simple at the same time. As a wise therapist once told me, "if you do not express your needs, you have no hope that your needs will ever be met." Well, you did just express your needs and I hope your post was not the first time you expressed your needs. I believe a couple can work together and find solutions to these problems if both desire. Lots of husbands have posted some excellent comments on this thread. You owe it to your marriage and your kids to get to the bottom of this problem before it festers into an irreparable cancer in your marriage.
When I'm at the end of my rope in the marriage, I look at my children's beautiful faces and I can prioritize, lay my anger aside and attempt to verbally work towards a mutual solution. Fortunately, he feels the same way. You can do it! Good luck.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Nice try but we all know that the only "women" who know how to use the internets are either men or cops.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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  After living through four years of ironman racing and training with my husband, I decided there was just no way I could do it for another year. So I told him :

"Honey, I really think all this long distance training is having a detrimental effect on your race times. You're doing all this long distance mostly zone 2 type training and it is not doing anything for your speed. I think you should take the next couple of years and do the shorter distances so that you can focus more on high intensity training and less on the long, slow stuff."

He bought it hook, line and sinker. In fact, he's decided that he's only doing olympics and halfs until he ages up again! These past few weeks leading into his A race have been kind of rough, and a reminder of how much IM training sucked. Three workouts a day, in bed at 9 p.m. up at 5 a.m. and, yes boys, too f'ing tired for sex. But it's only about 3 weeks of that rather than 3 months.

I have never had to pick up his slack around the house, we don't have kids and I only work parttime. I am OCD about my own workouts and I enjoy working out with him sometimes so we had that going for us too. All the same, I totally empathize with how you feel and understand that it really is a big sacrifice to support someone through the IM endeavor. Shit just spectating at an IM race is a feat in itself!

Oh and my advice was actually spot on. He did a half this year that he did in '06; conditions on race day were almost identical; he took 3 minutes off his swim time, 12 minutes off his bike time and a minute off his run time!



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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Does your husband read ST? If not why are you sending him a letter in public on this forum? Have you talked to him? You obviously are not happy with the situation. Has he refused to listen to your concerns? Are you prepared for the next step if he refuses to listen?

I love and respect my husband very much. We have been married 33 years now and I felt the way you did when we were in our early 20s. Only THEN it was sailing not triathlon. I married an compulsive, competitive and confident (stubborn) man and quiclkly came to the conclusion that was he was not going to change or be resentful if I tried to "force" him to change. I would be a lot worse without him (I did say I loved him) and changing him would only make us both miserable and probably end up divorced. I also realized that the same stubbornness, confidence and quest for excellence were the reasons I fell in love with him in the first place.

SO, I stopped rating my husband's affection by how many chores he did around the house. I learned to be strong and independent, develop my own passions. I did the primary care of our daughter. I hired someone when I needed help with "chores". I didn't have to nag, things got done on time and we both were a lot happier. The time we spend together is quality time and he treats me very well. He does work hard as well as play hard and I am fine with that. I have never lacked for anything. (and I do get to go to Hawaii every year) I both support his passions and enjoy my own. As a non-athlete, I have become quite involved in triathlon myself. I know my husband appreciates my support of his passion. (he even brags about it behind my back). When I went through a severe health crisis, he gave up everything to care for me without resentment. Despite being a travel challenge first on kidney dialysis, now in my wheelchair, he will not go to a race unless I can accompany him.

Perhaps your husband is overdoing it. Perhaps you are seeing household chores as a symbol of his affection. Men put a great deal of priority in their passions. Yes, he may need to reel it in a bit. You may also have to accept his drive. He needs to understand your priorities and you need to understand his. In any event you need to talk to him and tell him your concerns.

Hawaii makes a great vacation spot, as does IM Switzerland, IM New Zealand, IM Canada, IM Lake Placid, etc............Is there such thing as a vacation without an Ironman? What do people do on vacation if there is no race?

I consider myself a very lucky girl....

Best wishes for you..

Support Crew
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Hey Support Crew, let me be the first to come right out and say...

Will you marry me??

I have no money for a ring tho....just blew it on my dream bike and Zipps. but you can ride on my handlebars

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Wow. Supportcrew, that was beautifully written. Our marriages sound very parallel. You've got 15 years of marriage on me and I hope I become as wise as you at year 33 of my marriage. You may not be doing triathlon, but you are a very strong woman. Thanks for the wisdom.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [GARodgers] [ In reply to ]
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Wait until your wife hits 180 pounds. Then you'll experience that kind of tired.

I'm glad I am not married to you! I can see where your priorities are. I hope you don't go bald.


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Here you go I have no idea how many Ironmans your husband has done but I have to guess this is his first or second Ironman. Ironman training comes down to compromise! I am training for my 8th Ironman right now. I did CDA in June and am now training for Arizona in the fall with only one thing in mind to qualify for Kona so I know how he feels. Two years ago my wife would have written this same message and she told me basically what you wrote here. It is said that Ironman per capita (IM paticipant or in training) has caused more divorces than anything else. It is very hard to change your training ways mid way through your year so let it take its couse. I think your have been heard. My wife had this same conversation about two weeks before my race in 2006, she lost it and said this is it no more Ironman’s period. Well that wasn't going to happen so some big time compromises were made. I have done two Ironmans since and by the way the next year with about five less hours per week I took an hour off my best time 10:59. In hind sight I was over the top even my coach said you didn’t complain so I kept dishing it out.

The compromise: I have three young school age kids so I take them Monday, Wednesday and Friday to school Tuesdays and Thursday morning and evening are mine. I make dinner as much as possible, hire baby sitters when needed, think for a second that this world doesn't revolve around me, me, me. Saturday long rides start early never to go past noon and no riding on Sundays. Family special events, school events come before my addiction. Incorporate as many wife or family workout activities as possible, like long runs where she or the kids ride you run or have them meet you at the end and you all run together. Sounds silly but it works out great. My saving grace is my wife took up marathons so we can run together with the kids in tow on their bikes or baby jogger. Now that she completed her first marathon she has a much better appreciation of how I feel after a long run or bike something she would have never had the previous years. I did her first marathon with her in June, good for me long run prep for CDA also was able to work on her subconscious mind during those last 8 miles.

Ask Tri Body Border he sees me out there with wife, kids and dog in tow. It is a balancing act that is for sure. There is always the alternative bar hopping with buddies on Friday nights...

Best Wishes!!!!

James


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [GARodgers] [ In reply to ]
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Haha. I was thinking maybe the OP should post a pic, then we can more accurately judge what (or who) the real problem is in the relationship. There are two sides to every story, right?


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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To everyone who thinks we're all crazy to put in that many hours, I remind them that we could be:
-play golf
-drink at the bar
-drink at our buddies
-work longer

the list goes on and on and on and on..... The point is that we need to have a release valve. Some of us train, some do other things but its always something.

I think you should build a bridge .......... and get over it.


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [j-mo] [ In reply to ]
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Nice try but we all know that the only "women" who know how to use the internets are either men or cops.

Oh and yet another insightful statement from Learn!




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Ask Tri Body Border he sees me out there with wife, kids and dog in tow. It is a balancing act that is for sure. There is always the alternative bar hopping with buddies on Friday nights...

Best Wishes!!!!

James

James, wasn't that you I saw stumbling out of the OC Tavern the other night? Ha, ha. Jokes!
Good post! You're right on the money about this. Definitely a balancing act with the family and with your three daughters, you seem to have it wired James!

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [GARodgers] [ In reply to ]
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 I was thinking 150!


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"too...tired for sex" ? I don't think I've ever been that tired. EVER!
Wait until your wife hits 180 pounds. Then you'll experience that kind of tired.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [GARodgers] [ In reply to ]
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I stand corrected. Where your PRIORITY is, as you only showed the one. Superficial. 2 a: concerned only with the obvious or apparent : shallow


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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I loved your first post and then you go and imply that baldness is ugly thus making you seem as shallow as the poster you were replying too. I'm bald and my wife loves me. If she was 180 pounds, I'd love her.
Maybe you should think as hard about your retorts to posters as you did with your first really nice post.

-Mike
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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I guess all bald people are ugly? Now I really feel bad about myself.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [chowder] [ In reply to ]
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My husband is bald also! I WAS MAKING A POINT! Judging people based on appearances is shallow. Jusy because someone is overweight OR bald does not make them less of a person! In my mind NEITHER is ugly.


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, I misunderstood your intent. Have a good one!

-Mike
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a working ironmom and spouse of an ironman. It takes a team to make an ironman. Family, friends, riding partners etc are all part of the team. Cheer him on in his quest of a dream--he will do the same thing for you as you persue your dreams. In the mean time, buy a bike and ride his recovery rides with him or go to the gym with him. Join him in his quest to make himself better--and in return make your family better and stronger. My husband is not training for an IM this year, but he paddles the kayak while I ow swim, he rides a couple of hours with me on my long rides and rides my shorter rides with me. I run/gym before dawn while my kids are asleep. Team work is the key.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [ironmom5] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a working ironmom and spouse of an ironman. It takes a team to make an ironman. Family, friends, riding partners etc are all part of the team. Cheer him on in his quest of a dream--he will do the same thing for you as you persue your dreams. In the mean time, buy a bike and ride his recovery rides with him or go to the gym with him. Join him in his quest to make himself better--and in return make your family better and stronger. My husband is not training for an IM this year, but he paddles the kayak while I ow swim, he rides a couple of hours with me on my long rides and rides my shorter rides with me. I run/gym before dawn while my kids are asleep. Team work is the key.

But for the love of all that is good - he can't cross the finish line with you. That $#*@@ will cost you 4 minutes in the name of "teamwork"!!!!!!!

And be careful. We are only a few posts from another R10C proposal.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not married and this is why! When a girl I'm dating starts to get resentful of my hobbies, I know its time for her to go... cause the last thing I want is a whiny, passive-aggressive wife. Too bad your husband didn't see this coming.

If I were you, I'd be at that race smiling and cheering my rear end off because he may just meet his second mrs. ironwidow

Don't you have some chores to do?
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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My husband is bald also! I WAS MAKING A POINT! Judging people based on appearances is shallow. Jusy because someone is overweight OR bald does not make them less of a person! In my mind NEITHER is ugly.

Joe isn't bald he's more aero!
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [bigRingKing] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to give an opinion from a female Ironman's point of view.

Ironwidow, my husband would've heard you loud and clear. However, before I go any farther, even as a woman, I have to agree with everybody else, even with training, there's no such thing as too tired for sex.
Ok, that out of the way. My husband and I split up for a brief period in Janurary, one of our problems, I train too much and am never around. I agreed to not do IMKY this year. In late February, he saw how much I missed even the thought of doing it and told me I should do it after all. It was game on for me! In June, another split with a "Come to Jesus" meeting. His words to me, " I want the woman that I married back!" I feel it took alot of guts for him to tell me that. This time I said ok and sent in my letter to Ironman Corp. informing them of my withdraw. It was hard. It was painful. I still feel a gnawing in the pit of my stomach over not doing IMKY this year. But I also know my heart would hurt worse over not having my husband for the rest of my life. I had to put things into perspective. I will never earn a living or place in the top 10 of my age group. Ironman is bragging rights only for me. My husband is everything to me. I realise how much he and my family sacrifice for me to do tri's. So I met him halfway. 1/2 IM's and shorter from now on. Don't get me wrong - it sucks not doing what I want to do, but the flipside is much worse.
And for those of you who will probably have something to say to this post - the splits were my idea - not his. I saw we were both unhappy and needed a break to cool off and then clear the air. We can't always get to do everything we want in life. What's more important? Reaching a compromise or losing the love of your life because you couldn't see past your own goals?

Amyfit
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [non_sequitur] [ In reply to ]
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Joe isn't bald; his hair follicles can't keep up with him.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [support crew] [ In reply to ]
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Sue, I always joke with my wife and others that if she got "fat", I would divorce her. This is my joking to try and support
her to eat healthy, do a little exercise, and keep the weight off. She has family issues caused by weight, so it sure makes sense
for her to work at it. I know when she lost some weight a few years back when she was dealing with teeth repair issues, she
really liked the comments she got, so she works hard trying to be good with the food she eats.

But, if she gained weight or anything that was not her fault, I love what is inside the most!!

Dave

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Might I suggest that you find a hobby?

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I don't know SC... As for the OP: I smell a copy-and-paste...

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [amyfit] [ In reply to ]
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What I do not understand is why does one have to do so much training for an IM? I did 6 hours per week
and had a decent race. Could you not have put a goal to do the IM to have fun, no time goal, and
only train like a person who is doing it for fun?

I know I stopped my long stuff not that I could not do well, or do not train for it now, ( I now average about 15 hours a week training),
and only do Oly or sprint distance stuff. I do the training that I enjoy, and fits into the family schedule. Not how many hours I am supposed
to do for what distance. I do the training to try and stay healthy. The racing is icing on the cake. Now, with the shorter stuff,
my wife does not have to waste any entire day for me. We go, I race, and we get to have lunch together, and home in time
to still do something during the day.

Oh well, took me a while to figure the above out, but we both are much happier.

Dave

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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you can't be my ironman widow, she can't spell as good as you.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [amyfit] [ In reply to ]
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However, before I go any farther, even as a woman, I have to agree with everybody else, even with training, there's no such thing as too tired for sex.

Ok, I'll be the first to fess up ~ not that my sex life isn't good, but sometimes I really am just too tired for sex.

...and I KNOW you guys (and gals) are lying if you say you're not! ;-)
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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To all those who took my post seriously, thank you. Your kindness actually brought tears to my eyes. It helped to read that the end of training can look the bleakest. We're five weeks from race day, and--obviously--I'm cracking. I feel better knowing that I'm not the only spouse to lose it at this point.

My husband is a lovely person. We've had many discussions about these issues over the years, and things do get a bit better for a little while afterward. But when my blowups blow over, he has a tendency to descend back into the pit of Ironman obsession, where it feels very hard to reach him. It isn't even just the 25 hours a week he spends training (though that doesn't help); it's his apparent inability to think or talk about anything but IM even when he's not in the middle of a workout. It's wearing me out.

And for those of you who think I'm not supportive enough, you're wrong. My husband would say--and does say, behind my back, where I know he means it--that I'm very supportive. I even took up triathlon myself, which was something no one would have EVER predicted I'd do. I have plenty of hobbies, I'm an awesome mom, I have interesting work. I just really, really miss my husband.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Just so we're straight, your wife has "family issues caused by weight" and you joke that if she ever got "fat" you'd divorce her?


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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People who think their life has NEVER been out of balance due to triathlon are probably either single, divorced, or slow. IMHO, slow is the best option. This post does serve as a reminder to all of us about keeping the balance.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [boney] [ In reply to ]
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Bad choice of words. There is no real weight issue even though anyone can get fat if they eat too much and do not exercise correctly.
They have some risk for diabetes (?), which having excess weight does not help the odds.

Now my wife started giving me a bad time when I lost weight for boston. I smiled and told her I still weighed about 20 lbs
more than when she knew me in high school..

I was just offering to Sue that we all joke on stuff. It will not be long before I shave my head since it keeps falling out
and at some point I give. :o(

Now, I do believe we have a BIG issue with weight in our society, and we need to be honest that many are not for any reason other
than they eat too much. I still think we should be charged for our airplane tickets by weight. I might as well get something for
being such a bean pole. Smile

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Dear Ironman Widow:

It does sound like your husband has a serious addiction issue. There is more to life than Ironman. And he will unfortunately realize later in life just how much he has missed because of his obsession. It is no different at times than an alcohol addiction.

The only way to break the addiction though is either he is going to admit that he has a problem (no one should consistently train 25 hours a week), or worst yet he will be forced to stop training and racing due to health issues.

I am an IM athlete, and competitive, and I also (like other female posters on the list) have had to adjust my training around the family. The family does not adjust around my training, and I also am fortunate enough to have a husband who is as fast as I am so we can train together from time to time.

Family should always come first.

I've retired from IM racing for a few years (or for forever unless my son decides to do one) because I have found that they just aren't that much fun to do anymore.

My question to everyone on this list who does them - is an event where you have to focus on managing your resources really a race? I mean the goal is to get to the finish line in one piece, and hope that you had a better day than the next person in front or behind you. Is this a race? It's a race for yourself, but that's about it in my opinion. BORING.

A real race is where you start and go as fast as you can....then see who is the fastest at the end. It's where you don't count calories, don't keep HR in zone 2, and where all you see is red all throughout the race. That is a race.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Is that you dear?

Did Oprah have a show recently about living with an Ironman? Is this causing you to see things that aren't really there? Did you hear about how much training many people do for an Ironman and convince yourself that I would need to do the same? Did you read somewhere that all Ironmen train for 30 hours a week and lose all zest for life? Did you read somewhere that in order to do an Ironman one must hire a coach and spend money recklessly on all things swim/bike/run? Surely you were informed that the only way I can get through all the training to do an Ironman is to have weekly massages and physiotherapy and yoga, lest the pain become unbearable? Did somebody tell you that holdiays would be cancelled once I sign up to do an Ironman? Did someone mention that training for an Ironman will make me so tired that they will skip all chores, ignore their wife and kids, and become a cranky grouch?

I'm sure you have been told all of these things, and others. You must have been, since that is the only reason I can think of that you would believe it all and it has become, in your mid at least, a self fulfilling prophecy. Perhaps I shouldn't have signed up to participate in an Ironman this year. I'm sure that if I cancelled the two trips to the pool each week, the 3-5 hours of running that happens each week while you're sleeping, and the 2 or 3 times I ride my bike each week I would free up enough time to play with the kids twice every night, give them 2 baths a night, get up with them twice in the middle of the night, feed them breakfast twice, take them to school twice, feed them dinner twice, mow the lawn twice (once each way, you know, to get the nice checkerboard pattern), take the kids to swimming lessons twice as often, and maybe even be rested enough to work up the nerve to make advances on you and be rejected for sex twice a night. With all the money we save from my indulgent habit we could probably even go to Europe twice, what a better education for the boys than to walk the streets of Rome and Paris and London - once they reach adulthood, in another 13 or more years they'll look back so fondly on this time, as will we, I'm sure.

I don't think you sound mad, a little selfish, maybe. I know that when I put on my glasses in the morning, the world looks quite a bit different to me...
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To all those who took my post seriously, thank you. Your kindness actually brought tears to my eyes. It helped to read that the end of training can look the bleakest. We're five weeks from race day, and--obviously--I'm cracking. I feel better knowing that I'm not the only spouse to lose it at this point.

My husband is a lovely person. We've had many discussions about these issues over the years, and things do get a bit better for a little while afterward. But when my blowups blow over, he has a tendency to descend back into the pit of Ironman obsession, where it feels very hard to reach him. It isn't even just the 25 hours a week he spends training (though that doesn't help); it's his apparent inability to think or talk about anything but IM even when he's not in the middle of a workout. It's wearing me out.

And for those of you who think I'm not supportive enough, you're wrong. My husband would say--and does say, behind my back, where I know he means it--that I'm very supportive. I even took up triathlon myself, which was something no one would have EVER predicted I'd do. I have plenty of hobbies, I'm an awesome mom, I have interesting work. I just really, really miss my husband.
IMHO
If your issue is non training conversation then you definitely need to workout w/ said hubby on recovery days.
There is an old runners adage: talk about running when you are not, talk about anything but running when you are.
cycling is pretty much the same and it just to hard to have an intelligible conversation when you are swimming...


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Gotcha. As for the societal weight issues.....living in Canada, I am scared of "your" (U.S.) McD's super sized meals, they are jsut plain frightening.

And, so as not to hijack, the OP is a troll, or in a relationship that will fail soon.


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Working, cooking a nutritious dinner every night, keeping the house clean and in good repair, paying the bills, showing up at all the kids' activities
So you are both working - but he is not contributing to the chores or going to the kids' events? He has decided that household/family duties will not cut into *his* triathlon hobby, but it's okay that they cut into *your* hobbies?

Wow.

Thanks for your courage to speak your mind. I hope it has helped you to define or articulate feelings to express to him directly.

[Winter/"offseason": His turn to do all the household and child duties?]
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FYI - you can love someone but lose the physical attraction when your partner balloons to 180 ... that is not shallow.
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Absolutely, I understand the point you are trying to make to all of the Ironmen out there BUT I have a huge issue with you NOT taking this up with the one person who it really should be brought up to...YOUR HUSBAND. I think the act of you posting this exemplifies something that might be a deeper issue than this race and the amount of training your family is dealing with. My father wasnt around a whole lot as a kid because he WORKED and TRAVELED as much as I train for my ironman (and your husband probably does)...but my parents knew how to communicate (and my mom had a huge pair) to be able to say, HEY, YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO ME FOR A LITTLE BIT...its not being a bitch, its being up front, honest, and DIRECT. Men don't react well to emotional rantings or indirect conversations so stop whining, be creative in your relationship and figure out how to make it work because the love someone has for an ironman race isnt the same kind of love for another person...but its damn near addicting...As a woman and as a triathlete i'd really like you to step up and be the kind of woman an Ironman needs...someone who has endurance and strength whether it be physical or emotional.
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IronWidow,

We were just having a discussion about someone stopping IM Training on the TRI-DRS email list; they chose to take a DNS because the training was just getting to be too much. I once made the mistake of going too far, and shared that story. Even though this could be the ultimate catalyst at a place like ST, I've got nothing to lose by sharing it.

Have your husband read this. I hope it helps.

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I never wrote a race report for Ironman USA 2003. I did write a short Xtri piece, but that was it. There was so much going on outside of IM - so many things - I had no business being there.

I've never written this out, but after 5 years, I think I can probably talk about the backstory. Some of you know, but most of you don't.

After IMC 2001, I had decided with Lynda that I wasn't going to go back to IM until we'd had a baby. That after 4 years of racing IM's every summer, now it was time to step back and be a regular person for awhile. We'd just bought our house, and it needed lots of work. She'd been an IM widow every year in June, July, and August since we were first dating, and now it was
time to finally give the big stuff a rest.

Until Tupper Lake 2002. We spent some time in Lake Placid after Tupper Lake, and I got sucked back in. Hanging out there eating ice cream while watching people train all around me, I wasn't strong. I didn't even try to fight it. I turned right back around on everything I said and promised and asked, "Can we come back?"

There was no baby yet. We'd been trying for 8 months, but it would work out sooner or later. The house still needed lots of work, but there I was, asking to go right back into the Ironman summer once again, as if everything would magically be okay. That somehow I'd be able to work the hours of training into everything else we were already doing.

Of course, St. Lynda said yes. She knew it mattered to me, and even though I still think she didn't want to say yes, she said yes.

It would be great. I was determined to make this one great. I rented a house, and filled it with friends. We'd do it right. We'd have a great time.

When Spring of 2003 rolled around, there was still no baby. The house still wasn't done (foolishly, I hadn't yet learned that the house is never done). The stress level was picking up. Questions were starting to come up more and more. "What's wrong with us? Why isn't this working?" It wasn't helping that friends all around us were suddenly pregnant, and always asking, "So what's going on with you guys?"

It should have been easy. It should have happened already.

We started going to doctors, looking for answers. All while I was trying to train. Trying to focus. Trying to find energy that was suddenly no longer available, because there were too many things fighting for my attention.

In May I seriously started to think about bailing, but I just couldn't. I just couldn't imagine that not starting an IM would be better than finishing one, even in bad shape. So I pushed on, even though I was starting to hate the workouts. It didn't help that it was a brutal Spring; record rainfall. Every ride was wet. Every run was wet.

The training was not an escape anymore - the training was a sentence. Something to be endured. It wasn't fun.

But I stuck with it. I had to. I didn't know how to back off. I didn't know how to stop. I saw the signs, but ignored them, foolishly thinking that if I just kept going, everything would be fine. It was one of those strategies that, while fine for a race, often backfires in real life.

So race week finally arrived. We had a house full of friends. It was going to be great, yes? Of course it would. Eric and Amy, Tricia Richter and Skippy, Katie Hobson and her Mom, Matt Hennigan and his girlfriend Tracy. Eric and Amy had their newborn son, Benjamin, all of 8 weeks old.

Lynda and I spent a lot of time looking at Benjamin. Holding him as he slept. Watching Eric and Amy hold their little new life.

Lynda and I also spent a lot of time upstairs in our room, crying. Wondering. Asking, why? Why is it do easy for everyone else, and so impossible for us? What if that will never BE us?

It was then that I realized that I'd taken us completely down the wrong road.

I had no right to be here when my life needed more attention in a completely separate direction. I had been selfish, stupid, shortsighted, and completely forgotten the most important thing - family comes first. And now it was too late; there we were, with nowhere to go. Stuck watching two close friends hold their new son, wondering why nature was turning her back
to us. Stuck with no way to back up time and say, "Do over!"

When the rains came on race day and we were all out there fighting through the endless waves of wind and downpours, all I could think about was Lynda, Matt, Tracy, my Mom, Rich - everyone I'd brought there, and for what? So they could stand out in the rain for 14 hours, watching me come completely unglued? So they could watch me have a personal worst? So instead of
counting out time to our first child, they could stand there and watch a countdown that mattered to no-one, not even me?

On the second lap of the marathon, way out in the far reaches of River Road in the darkness, between the spotlights, I finally had the nervous breakdown I'd been waiting for. I was so far back, it didn't matter. There wasn't anyone to see it. I just curled up in a little ball of Mylar at the side of the road, and lost it. I just went to the zoo and let it all flow out. Screams, sobs, knee-hugging, meltdown.

For the baby we weren't having. For the group of people I'd brought there for such a miserable day. For how I'd managed to completely lose the plot for my own selfish goals - and I didn't NEED it! I'd finished 5 IM's already! What the hell did I want with
another one when there was so much more I needed to be paying attention to?

It wasn't more than 40 seconds or so, but it had to happen.

For years Ironman had been the thing that had built me up and made me believe I could do anything I wanted. But now Ironman was showing me that I'd gone too far, and asked for too much.

IMC 2001 had left everything on a high note; I'd PR'ed. We'd had a great vacation in Olympic National Park. It was our "last trip" before the baby would come.

IM-USA 2003 would be the race that would burn all those good memories to the ground.

I had no business being there. I hadn't been able to train or concentrate. I wasn't ready to race, and never was going to be. The rain just served to drive that point home. I never should have gone to the start line that year. I didn't have the right mindset, and didn't have enough room in my life to try and squeeze in something as all-encompassing as Ironman. But I
didn't think about it - I just assumed that everything would get out of the way, like it always had before.

Stupid, selfish, short-sighted. A mistake on the scale I hope to make only once in a lifetime.

I did finish that day - I had to. Once I made it to the second lap, there was no quitting. After dragging Lynda through another summer I promised there wouldn't be, a DNF would not be worthy. It was a personal worst, but ironically, it turned out to be my best finish picture in all my IM's. I think it was the only time I smiled all day.

http://www.bobmina.com/.../IMLP2003_Finish.jpg

The next day, the sun came out. The sky was a beautiful, clear, perfect Adirondack blue. Eric and Amy packed up little Benjamin, and headed for home. We would head to the awards dinner, but I don't remember much of anything. I just wanted to get out of town, and forget about it all.

We didn't know it, but there would still be two more years of torture to go. 24 more months of heartbreak on the 28th day of each month. We were stuck in what our doctors call "The 2% Club," where there is no known reason for it - you just have no luck when it comes to being pregnant. With each failure, I thought back to the months leading up to IM-USA; what if we'd had
a chance there, and missed it?

Of course, Katie would find her way to us. She was a last-chance baby. After 4 years, we were surrendering to the fact that it wouldn't work for us. And you all know how that turned out; she's so much baby, she's kept us awake for most of her life to make up for lost time; an embarassment of riches, so to speak.

I know I'm lucky to have her. I know I'm lucky to have Lynda. Above everything I do in racing and training, I know they come first. From that brutal summer or 2003, I have learned to look at the balance of life first. To look at the longview and ask, "Can I really do that?" I'm training less, racing less, but going faster. I'm having more fun.

It took the worst summer of my life to learn, but I like to think that I have gotten better about it.

I applaud Richard for his choice to stop, because he won't have to learn about balance the hard way. He won't have to hit bottom and spend months climbing back.

Richard already knows what I had to learn the hardest way possible.

So in the end, for all my histrionics about weather, I know I can handle rain.

I don't think I could ever handle being a disappointment to my wife again.

Hurricane Bob
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Great troll, I wish I had thought of it myself!
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Absolutely, I understand the point you are trying to make to all of the Ironmen out there BUT I have a huge issue with you NOT taking this up with the one person who it really should be brought up to...YOUR HUSBAND. I think the act of you posting this exemplifies something that might be a deeper issue than this race and the amount of training your family is dealing with. My father wasnt around a whole lot as a kid because he WORKED and TRAVELED as much as I train for my ironman (and your husband probably does)...but my parents knew how to communicate (and my mom had a huge pair) to be able to say, HEY, YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO ME FOR A LITTLE BIT...its not being a bitch, its being up front, honest, and DIRECT. Men don't react well to emotional rantings or indirect conversations so stop whining, be creative in your relationship and figure out how to make it work because the love someone has for an ironman race isnt the same kind of love for another person...but its damn near addicting...As a woman and as a triathlete i'd really like you to step up and be the kind of woman an Ironman needs...someone who has endurance and strength whether it be physical or emotional.
she said in the second post that she has had many conversations with her husband over the years, so i am not sure that the criticism is justified. i guess i am reading it more as a point to all ironmen than an alternative to speaking to her husband about it. but based on the fact that there are still conflicts between the two, i agree that communication is breaking down.

i whole heartedly agree with the men not reacting well to emotional rantings. perhaps this is where there is the split. based totally on the way i react, if the gf blows up at me about something, that is not really effective at changing the way i act in the long term. for a week or so, i will be sensitive, but then i will think that she has moved on. this seems to be what ironwidow says happens also. i think this is, perhaps unfortunate, but very common in male behavior. consistent assertive criticism is the most effective imho.
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Wow.
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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.
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Debi, you hit the nail for me why I stopped doing long stuff. Yes, I got to the finish line, but was it a race? Not for me.
But, in an Oly or Sprint distance, I just open it up the entire time and see what happens. There is no pacing or holding back,
just going for it. Now, if I had no speed, maybe I would have all the reasons why an IM distance is better.
But still having a little speed makes the shorter stuff much more of a race for me at the moment.
But, not trying to say what is better, BUT, if one is trying to weigh what is more important, a family
or IM, well, that is real real easy for me!!

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Almost anyone can be an Ironman - but it takes character to be a real man.

Thank you for that fantastic post.

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Maybe the only way she can get him to listen is by posting on this forum. I'm sure that there are plenty of folks who spend all their time training, except when they are on this site.

(LDV, this isn't directed at you)

It's kind of laughable that there are so many folks criticizing IronWidow for being selfish and or influenced by Oprah. I am only marginally involved in tri culture, and I know at least half a dozen people, men and women, that fit the characterization of totally absorbed triathlete. They only stop when they need surgery, or are told they can run EVER AGAIN.

Heck, in 2004, I was that guy. I basically worked and trained, and posted on this forum. This year, I intentionally undertrained for IMLP. Yes, I was slow. and it hurt more, longer. But I didn't miss any family get togethers, I went to some shows with my wife, and I tried to be there so we could do the things we like to do together(which involves lots of pub time with friends, as it happens.) Yes, just spending time together. BTW, I really enjoyed the race.

You know what IronWidow really needs? She needs to be allowed in the finish chute so she can run across the line with her IronMan. Then all will be well, he will appreciate and love her for all she has done for him, and she will experience the thrill and sense of accomplishment that comes with being in someone else's finisher's photo. Until after the divorce. Then she can burn it along with his tri shorts and training diary.

Regarding 25 hour training weeks: If you train more than 15 hours a week, and you aren't looking for hardware, you're just a workout junkie. Accept it, get over it. If this is a social thing, super, but if it's at the expense of your personal responsibilities, seriously, you need to fix some stuff.

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I bought my wife a P3C. Problem solved.
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stay alive post stay alive..

breathe damnit breathe....

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I hope some on ST read, and can learn the easy way, but, ........

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My question to everyone on this list who does them - is an event where you have to focus on managing your resources really a race?

Well, let's see. It's a timed event and the person with the fastest time wins. Sounds like a race to me.


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Absolutely, I understand the point you are trying to make to all of the Ironmen out there BUT I have a huge issue with you NOT taking this up with the one person who it really should be brought up to...YOUR HUSBAND. I think the act of you posting this exemplifies something that might be a deeper issue than this race and the amount of training your family is dealing with. My father wasnt around a whole lot as a kid because he WORKED and TRAVELED as much as I train for my ironman (and your husband probably does)...but my parents knew how to communicate (and my mom had a huge pair) to be able to say, HEY, YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO ME FOR A LITTLE BIT...its not being a bitch, its being up front, honest, and DIRECT. Men don't react well to emotional rantings or indirect conversations so stop whining, be creative in your relationship and figure out how to make it work because the love someone has for an ironman race isnt the same kind of love for another person...but its damn near addicting...As a woman and as a triathlete i'd reallyYes like you to step up and be the kind of woman an Ironman needs...someone who has endurance and strength whether it be physical or emotional.

You sent this to Muffin Top? You do realize Muffin Top is a man, right??
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That was funny!
Fred.
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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.
...and the longest post ever!
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i used to do the long stuff. i don't do any races that take more than 3hr. i don't train more than 12hr a week, usually more like 8hr or 9hr a week. maybe if i was single i would train more. i don't know. probably not. i have a lot of other interests now. but then this is my 30th year of doing triathlons, and you can't keep up that frenetic training pace for that long, or even half that long.

your husband will get over it. you can help him get over it quicker if you bang him over the head, but not until after this current race cycle is over. give him this race, and then give him kona if he qualifies, but then put the hammer down and tell him nothing longer than a half for the next three years.

then go out, get yourself in top shape, and kick his ass ;-)

Dan Empfield
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Regarding 25 hour training weeks: If you train more than 15 hours a week, and you aren't looking for hardware, you're just a workout junkie. Accept it, get over it. If this is a social thing, super, but if it's at the expense of your personal responsibilities, seriously, you need to fix some stuff.

Where do those 15h come from ? Is that some kind of a magic number or have you done some studies about how, when you pass that red line, you need to hire a psychotherapist...

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yes, but i was addressing the main letter...i thought?
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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.
...and the longest post ever!
But worth it. This thread has the potential to rival Dirty Secrets.
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No, you replied to MuffinTop.


And it was funny! ;)

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give him this race, and then give him kona if he qualifies, but then put the hammer down and tell him nothing longer than a half for the next three years.

I would be very careful about ultimatums, Ironwidow, it may backfire.




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Hah okay sorry, i'm new to the whole posting thing...i guess i was 'agreeing' with muffintop...and then went on my own rant. whoopsie.
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FYI - you can love someone but lose the physical attraction when your partner balloons to 180 ... that is not shallow.

I hear ya, with the addition of the word "love" and "physical" you have changed the meaning. There is no doubt that appearance has a part of sex appeal, for both men and women. It is when a relationship is based only on physical attraction that it is shallow. That somehow if a person for one reason or another gained weight, they are suddenly not a suitable for sex, the marriage is ruined. (the original comment was made in reference to marriage, not sexual attraction).

And I I know a lot of women who are attracted to men based on their income level. Equally shallow if they lose thier attraction when they guy loses his job or wealth for whatever reason. They can justify it because as we all know, poor people are lazy and stupid.

Both might be "the way it is, or the way humans think". Sex is only one component of marriage, a big one, but not the only one. Sex drives can wain over time, for many reasons, even for the most attractive people. There has to be a lot more than superficial values for a marriage to pass the test of time. No judgments here, not everyone has to have long term relationships if they value appearance or wealth above all else.


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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.
...and the longest post ever!
But worth it. This thread has the potential to rival Dirty Secrets.

You're right. It was very good. Actually, I told Bob I should have used smileys or something to indicate I was just being a smartass.
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"I would be very careful about ultimatums, Ironwidow, it may backfire."

no more ironmans for awhile is an unreasonable stand to take? based solely on what she's written, and stipulating that it's an even-handed accounting, obviously she's tried to have the reasonable discussion, the negotiated settlement, and all of that. none of that has worked. at some point, you have to put the hammer down. if he says no, i'm not going to settle for sprints and halfs and an IM once every third year, then i can think of a lot of great triathlete men who'll be happy to offer her a balanced, reciprocal relationship.


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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.
...and the longest post ever!
But worth it. This thread has the potential to rival Dirty Secrets.

You're right. It was very good. Actually, I told Bob I should have used smileys or something to indicate I was just being a smartass.
Hey, it actually didn't come off as sounding mean-spirited or anything. I was just taking another opportunity to express my appreciation for the best read I've had all week.
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>>then i can think of a lot of great triathlete men who'll be happy to offer her a balanced, reciprocal relationship.<<

Or, a number of Ironwomen who can offer her husband the same as he wants. Just throwing that out there.

>>based solely on what she's written<<

But we all know there are two sides to every story.

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"Or, a number of Ironwomen who can offer her husband the same as he wants. Just throwing that out there."

whatever floats your boat. i have rarely seen that work, where both husband and wife are hard at it for 25hr a week. i'm not saying it can't, i've just rarely seen it. i don't know if i've ever seen it. somebody always ends up sacrificing his/her gig for the other, and even then, it wears thin after awhile. i'm sure he can find a nice doormat who'll take it for the long haul. otoh, if he's retired, and has no need to work, and 25hr a week of training is what he does instead of working, i think that's okay. and i think it's okay if he does that every third year, of every other year. but when it's 45hr a week of work and 25hr of training, and no energy left over, year after year, that's rough on the S.O. i can see her point. or his point, if he's the one mowing the lawn, doing the dishes, watching reruns of i love lucy every night by himself.


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [Hurricane Bob] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for sharing your story.

Grant

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OMG that was me! Amazing how doing *everything* still pisses your spouse off eh? Sheesh.

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The fact is that people change of the course of a marriage. Clearly he has found this new hobby and it doesn't leave alot of time or motivation for anything else. Sad fact, he's addicted to Ironman, and it's probably NOT going to change, ultimatum or not.

As a female Ironman who got dumped by her ex-husband who could not accept that fact that I would ALWAYS be a triathlete / or just plain interested in fitness to some extent, (not just Ironman racing, but the fitness lifestyle is part of who I am) and it was not going to change, him, dog, kids, whatever or not, it would always be there. I was a triathlete before we met, and I planned on being one after we got married. No where in my vows did I say I would quit because he didn't like it.

I applaud you for trying to taking up the sport. It's not the easiest thing to do. And it speaks volumes as to you trying to understand his obsession. This sport is not for everyone.

Just because he cannot find the time to contribute, doesn't mean YOU need to pick up the slack. OUTSOURCE it, sister. Handyman, maids, whatever.

And TALK to him. Maybe this post accomplished that, but you need to make sure he understands that it's time for a break. ASK, for a year without IM. But don't take away his access totally. Let him do a few halfs next year. He obviously need for HIS happiness, but ask him to scale it back.

It sounds like the resentment is growing. That is the first step in a slippery slope towards the big D.

Good luck.
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It's kind of laughable that there are so many folks criticizing IronWidow for being selfish and or influenced by Oprah.

Yeah, why should anyone be criticized for sharing their marital issues on a triathlon internet forum? The nerve of you people....

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Wow. a lot of your post hit home. Thx for sharing.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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This is what the guy should tell the wife:

Okay Honey... I promise I'll start working on your sex complaints... No promises on the other stuff.

This should be his starting point.
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Bob Lobb Law, someone tell this sperm receptacle to shut the hell up!

'STICK EM UP PUNK ITS THE FUN LOVING CRIMINAL'
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Thanks, Bob.

Great stuff from perhaps the best writer in the sport who, really should do more writing.


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As a female Ironman who got dumped by her ex-husband who could not accept that fact that I would ALWAYS be a triathlete / or just plain interested in fitness to some extent, (not just Ironman racing, but the fitness lifestyle is part of who I am) and it was not going to change, him, dog, kids, whatever or not, it would always be there. I was a triathlete before we met, and I planned on being one after we got married. No where in my vows did I say I would quit because he didn't like it.
Why in the world did you start dating your ex husband? Didn't learn it first go around eh? ;)

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 sorry, did i confuse ya, i didn't date him after he split. i got dumped by him, hence he is my ex-husband. i'd never date him again, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!! :)
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That's what I figured, I just couldn't resist! ;P

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As I read this thread I really didn't know if you were serious or not until your 2nd post.

Knowing that you ARE serious, my heart goes out to you.
Your issues need to be dealt with, but they don't necessarily need to be confronted and/or fixed this summer. At this point, let him finish this race and then begin to work on it.
Perhaps his enthusiasm will wane, or he can learn to put more priority in to the marriage--not to mention to develop the tact to stop talking 'shop' with you all the time.

best of luck.

Now in jest I'll offer this: I'll pretend to be your new love interest to make him jealous!
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I guess what it comes down to is that from a multidimensional perspective:

1) A lot of people seem to get injured when they start training more than 15 or so hours per week.
2) Spending more than 15 hours a week typically means compromising other aspects of your life.
3) There are lots of people who train 15 hours a week or less and are kicking your ass, so unless you are a pro or a top AG'er, you should probably focus on better, not more, training.

Yes, 15 hours is somewhat arbitrary, but based on my personal experience and what I have seen happen to other people. Keep in mind, we're talking an average of 2 hours a day of training, in addition to work, commuting, family time, etc. That's quite a lot, really.

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but when it's 45hr a week of work and 25hr of training, and no energy left over, year after year, that's rough on the S.O. i can see her point. or his point, if he's the one mowing the lawn, doing the dishes, watching reruns of i love lucy every night by himself.

Dan, I am married to the man you describe, except for the no energy leftover part. I am not doormat. My life does not revolve around him 100%. I have my own interests, we have a "lawn dude" as Joe calls him, and someone that helps with the housework. Joe cooks more than I do. My time is valuable to me for pursuit of my own passions. When our daughter was young, we enjoyed her activities and she participated in BOTH of ours. I have rarely found myself bored or dependent on Joe for my entertainment. I am involved with his scheduling, planning and travel arrangement to feel apart of his "team". We spend a lot of quality time together.

But maybe I am as abnormal as my husband. I don't rate his love by how much time he spends helping me around the house. He still seems to like me, even though I have put on a few pounds after type 1 diabetes did its best to kill me. I learned on this thread that is not normal either. I am sure he could find someone healthier and more attractive.


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ohhh man, Ironwidow came in here looking for support only to be shuned by the entire ST world.......... No sympathy in this neck of the woods. ha
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whatever floats your boat. i have rarely seen that work, where both husband and wife are hard at it for 25hr a week. i'm not saying it can't, i've just rarely seen it. i don't know if i've ever seen it. somebody always ends up sacrificing his/her gig for the other, and even then, it wears thin after awhile. i'm sure he can find a nice doormat who'll take it for the long haul. otoh, if he's retired, and has no need to work, and 25hr a week of training is what he does instead of working, i think that's okay. and i think it's okay if he does that every third year, of every other year. but when it's 45hr a week of work and 25hr of training, and no energy left over, year after year, that's rough on the S.O. i can see her point. or his point, if he's the one mowing the lawn, doing the dishes, watching reruns of i love lucy every night by himself.

I always thought I had it pretty good, but after reading this post, I KNOW I do. My wife and I are both fanatical about exercise, though for different reasons. I should also note that we are both in our second marriages, and didn't do the second time around until our late 30s...maybe that has a lot to do with it.... That and we both consciously have chosen not to have children, not to live in a McMansion with all the home issues (have a small townhome in the mountains), have a few disparate groups of friends who are all active in some manner, have the same long range goals, and prefer to cook our own meals. So the only real 'issue' we have is what to do with our running partner when we leave for a long weekend and the weather is too hot or the destination doesn't take dogs (running partner is a Siberian).

We alternate and sacrifice. This year is my year. I train all the time (as does she) but the focus is on me doing two IMs, and numerous other distance traiathons, including three HIMs. She sherpas. So far, I keep PRing (only been doing this for three years...so still getting faster), and her multisport times are not getting faster. She isn't necessarily happy with it, and I get the flack for having the focus on me, but it soon ebbs as we remember that next year is her year for xterra stuff (her run is improving, though!). After November, I get little or no say in what and where we go next year.

Her focus was to qualify for Boston, which she did. Next year I am sherpa. This has worked for us for a few years now, and there is a bit of comfort in it.

The thing that has really made it work, however, is that we actually talked about it. I would wonder how old the OP is, and how long they were together before they started the "American Way" of 2.4 kids, big house, SUVs, kids in everything with front door shuttle service, etc. My first marriage was a horrible failure as I seemed to be doing what came next in life - not what I wanted, and I wasn't honest with anyone.

That changed, and it works now.

My $.02
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you two are a separate category. joe is in a separate category from all other AGers, and you are in a separate category from all other wives and moral supporters of AGers. you two are each exceptional, so i don't count you ;-)

obviously, there's a lot that goes into this. i think if the OP found her man already behaving as he now does, then it's her bad. but if he morphed into this after they were already married, then i think she's got reasonable expectations.

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Those are some big if's. The problem here is that we're getting a completely one-sided story. The way IronWidow tells it she's a great person, great wife, great mom, whoops, I mean "awesome" mom etc. She apparently has no faults, at least none she wants to admit. I'd like to hear her husband's side of things. It could be that IronWidow is not so fun to be around for various reasons. She may have other character flaws. I just don't know and neither does anyone here (except hubby.) I do know that there are two sides to every story and when one person touts how great she is and how one-dimensional her partner is I get bit suspicious.
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My wife and I went thru a very similar period. The worst part was that I traded addictions along the way. I was an alcoholic who put away the bottle and started running.
So, I quit drinking but now I was spending all my time training.

We weren't sure exactly where to go with this because our marriage had improved in so many ways since I quit drinking.

But, as it turns out I only needed to F$#k her really hard, and all the problems went away. We are very happy now.

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But, as it turns out I only needed to F$#k her really hard, and all the problems went away. We are very happy now.
Might be one of the greatest things I read all day :D


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i'll be in canada in oct.

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lol... just in time for my birthday!


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14th..... :oP

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oooh... just a little late. We were looking for the 13th. You can make up for that though.

Wait a minute... what just happened here? lol


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hahaha!

Too much boo hoo hoo-ing going on. :o)

We just livened up the thread.

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I love what is inside the most!!

Dave

I have tried to explain that to Tracy more than once - should (god forbid) she be a burn victim, any physical disfiguration would not at all alter how I feel for her.

Love is Love...and to the OP, seems to me that there is no love.

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Your family need help.

Go get some, please.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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You are great. He is a very lucky man to have you.
It may just be a midlife crisis he is going through. I hope he gets over it and learns to do things in Moderation.

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So, no more sciatic pain I see. Sounds like your training is doing well (in all areas)
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[the "American Way" of 2.4 kids, ...]

Since when having kids is the "American Way"?????
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [pine] [ In reply to ]
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hehe.:)
I think I am funny (at least someone does)
Training is going very well. I even did a little race and tied my all time best 5k time, on a tough and hilly trail race!

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I'm happy to report that all is well here in IronWidowland. After ignoring a suspicious reference to IronWidow over dinner last night, I broke down and confessed my identity this morning. My husband burst out laughing and exclaimed, "You're a legend on Slowtwitch!" I really do love that guy.

We had an excellent morning on the porch talking about this thread. (He had to skip his half-IM today because of a minor injury.) I so appreciate the compassion and perspective many of you have brought to the discussion here. Others of you, well, it sounds like you have your own issues to deal with.

I don't know if my Ironman will feel compelled to share his side of the story here, but I do feel the need to clarify a few things myself:
•I never said I was a saint, far from it. Among my character defects: I'm a perfectionist who tends to be hard on myself and others when my expectations aren't met. I'm impatient. I have a low stress threshold. I constantly fight my inclination to be a hothead and overreact to stupid stuff, including the state of my daughter's room. I can be thin-skinned and defensive. I obsess about my hair. I'm sure my husband could add a few things to this list.
•We do not have a Big Fat Lifestyle. We live in a two-bedroom, one-bath house and have done so for 15 years. We have one child. We own one little car. We don't take lavish trips; our vacation this summer was a house-and-car-swap with another family. I once turned down a job at the city's most appealing employer in my field to work from home and be our daughter's primary caregiver (to be honest, it wasn't a sacrifice; see the bit about my low stress tolerance). We go to a church where the emphasis is on service work and social justice. Etc., etc.
•We're in our mid-40s, this is my husband's first IM, and he was not an athlete when we met. He had been a distance runner in high school but was in the midst of a 20-year-break to pursue other, vastly less healthy obsessions that gradually took over his life after we got married. Hands down, I will take Ironman addiction over the things we struggled with during the first seven years of our relationship. Doesn't mean I don't get completely fed up at times. I'm no saint, remember?
•Finally, Hurricane Bob, your story moved me beyond words. Having coped with IF ourselves, I really felt your pain. Not a day has passed that I haven't looked at the Wondergirl and given thanks to the universe for the chance to be her mom. I can tell you feel the same way about your daughter.

And now...I'm going to do my best to HTFU and make it to IMOO with some style points. (See, I've learned your lingo; I'm trying here, people.) Your words of wisdom will help. If my Ironman qualifies for Kona, I actually will be thrilled for him. God help us if he misses by just a few minutes, though. In that case, no doubt, the IronWidow will be back.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Give it up Stu....

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Much better....

Communication is the key. I'm glad some people could help!

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Well done. I wish I had your motivation. I rode for 72km (very hilly) I was so slow I thought I was going to rust. This Morning I rode in a cycle park and just drafted off some nursing home patients, I was able to keep up. It has been very cold here in Sydney but it is warming up and so I hope my motivation will improve. keep me posted on your races.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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So how did your hubby's Ironman go? It's time for an update.
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IronWidow Status: Registered User Registered: Jul 31, 08 5:50 Last Logon: Aug 13, 08 4:15 Posts: 4 (0.0 per day)

I wouldn't expect an update
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [kkoole] [ In reply to ]
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Not unless she gets email updates when her thread is posted to.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I think you are reading my mind!!!! These are my thoughts exactly!!! How do I get through this and how do I get beyond this when so much damage has been done to our family life?? I/ we have 3 kids and he has been laid off! I'm working full time now while he trains and has the kids.
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If your husband is laid off and training instead of trying to find a job, you got screwed.
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rubberchicken wrote:
"too...tired for sex" ? I don't think I've ever been that tired. EVER!

That is one of the reasons I race so slowly! I save enough energy that if the girl handing out the finishers medals thinks I'm cute, I've got enough energy left to give a good account of myself! :-)

Mind you, I did manage to cramp up one time in the middle of a celebratory session after an IM and have to massage it out before I could continue.......but continue I did, even though trispouse was nearly wetting herself with laughter!

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tridorkhave to massage it out before I could continue.......![/quote wrote:

The sign of a truly good race!

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I just wanted you to know I saw this post and thought to myself - I could have written this. There is nothing in this that is not spot on and shared by many supportive wives. But, I have a few things to add:

1. "And it keeps my mind off the fact that an Ironman is too busy and tired for sex." - for those simpletons who replied it must be her: Well, we know you are virile - you prove it every race! But, unfortunately, is true for many men and we the understanding wives live with this. I'm sure you are a beautiful woman! There are still some evolutionary traits that have not been passed down to all men. Sorry, these ones have access to a computer!
2. Those that replied that she should get off her lazy butt and join him - First, then who takes care of the house, the children, and him when he is injured? So, the fairy is going to support her and when she comes home from training there will be a meal, the house is clean, etc. so she can rest and recover? Please post where you get one of those fairies that takes care of everything - it would save a lot of marriages! Because you know he won't sacrafice one minute of his training time to let her succeed - don't even lie about it!
3. The lack of vacations - this one resonates so close to home. We have not had a vacation in years. It is a shame that most of the race locations are horrible tourist spots! On one "vacation" I took the kids to a dirty McDonald's playland and Walmart just to kill time while we were waiting. Those were the nicest spots! And, there is no money left over for anything else. I think a compromise would be every 5th year is a nice vacation spot - but then again, it isn't about the wive and kids - that is your point and you wrote it so eloquently.
4. You sum it up perfectly -
I feel very taken for granted. I am proud of my husband too for his race performance. As a husband - not so much! He doesn't put much into the marriage! And, for those of you who reply - well, it is because he doesn't have a wife he is proud of - I'm willing to say that might be true. But you know what - I'm pretty sure it didn't start out that way.

IronWidow - I like you. You got spunk and sound like a winner! I hope your Ironman comes around!
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IronWidow_ZZ wrote:

IronWidow - I like you. You got spunk and sound like a winner! I hope your Ironman comes around!

Of course you do. You reregistered to bump your own 6 month old thread. I'd love to see the IP addresses that these were both posted from.

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" On one "vacation" I took the kids to a dirty McDonald's playland and Walmart just to kill time while we were waiting. "
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Surely you jest!? Which IM did you go to that was that bad? I've done a LOT of IMs and have not been to the place you describe.

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dman wrote:
Oh, and no one is ever to tired for sex. That just cant be.


One of the excuses I use for being so slow at IM, is that I'm saving energy in case the girl handing out the finishers medal wants some special tridork luvin'

To recap lifes rules:

1. NEVER turn down sex
2. other stuff

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [rubberchicken] [ In reply to ]
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When you're 70...maybe? ;)

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tridork wrote:
To recap lifes rules:

1. NEVER turn down sex
2. other stuff

Words to live by...
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"TriSpouse" is my own personal tri-widow.

I was a pro skier back in the day. We make triathletes seem like caring sharing family oriented people! After I finished competing, I got into teaching and coaching. TriSpouse was one of my ski students. :-) She has had to put up with all sorts of my crap, but to be fair, A) she knew exactly what she was getting herself into by marrying me and B) I've had to put up with her crap too.

By loving each other, caring about each other and both being willing to compromise and let things slide from time to time, we have just got past 30 years being married. Our marriage has had it's ups and downs, like any marriage. Some of those downs have been caused by ironman of course.

The first IM is always the worst. Firstly, the poor entrant doesn't have a clue what is involved and has just bitten off more than they can chew. The solution is to train more, and that makes them grumpy, all the while the spouse suffers. Once the first IM is out of the way, then sanity has a chance of getting a look in. It won't necessarily win, but it has a chance of a toe hold in the relationship at least.

To get through any relationship takes communication (bitchin or shouting isn't communicating BTW), compromise and forgiveness. If you both really want it to work, and you take the necessary steps to get it to work, then it will work. It's only when one partner isn't committed enough to the relationship that it has the opportunity to fail.

You obviously care about your husband and your relationship (evidenced by your open letter to Slowtwitch), so I expect that if he has the same love and committment, his IM problem will be a mere blip in the road.

Best of luck, I hope you and he get things sorted.

TriDork

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Eagleman half-triathlon in Maryland (Cambridge, I think). There was this quaint ice cream shop with those cute chairs with the twisted wire backs but it wasn't open on Sunday - the day of the race. The MBA in me wanted to call the owner and say you have the chance to make in one day what you probably make in three months - you're the only game in town - open and make a bundle. But, then realized, maybe they couldn't handle the volume or want the hassle. But, McDonald's and Walmart - open for business. This had to be one of the most boring places I have ever been!
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Sorry - no, not the original poster. But, smart enough to 1) recognize the lady had it all covered and 2) flatter her with picking a similar moniker.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, she must tell her friends how funny and motivating your humour is.
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Should have stayed at the Hyatt cheasapeake bay ;0)
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IronWidow_ZZ wrote:
Eagleman half-triathlon in Maryland (Cambridge, I think). There was this quaint ice cream shop with those cute chairs with the twisted wire backs but it wasn't open on Sunday - the day of the race. The MBA in me wanted to call the owner and say you have the chance to make in one day what you probably make in three months - you're the only game in town - open and make a bundle. But, then realized, maybe they couldn't handle the volume or want the hassle. But, McDonald's and Walmart - open for business. This had to be one of the most boring places I have ever been!
Pre-Hyatt I agree w/ you aout Cambridge & family, post Hyatt, not so much....

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JimMoss wrote:
The famous Sergio thread just took a backseat to this one. I'm envisioning record-breaking views and replies.

I missed this thread... can you post a link?
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Ironman widow, if i was you, every time you husband gets dress to go running, cycling, swimming, i would crab him, and make crazy monkey sex to him, get him tired before is works out so he thinks of you the all time he is training,

i am NEVER to tired for sex,
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are you so stupid to think that the moderators can't see the IP address you're posting from? or so stupid to not know what an IP address tells?


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bravo!


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [jkcoop3] [ In reply to ]
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jkcoop3 - I like you and think you have spunk too!

Your post made me laugh because recently at work I had to explain an IP Address to someone and finally, I just sent them that link!
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Good lord, why would anyone resurrect a thread this old?


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I took your post seriously (all of it) and for what it's worth, I would add to your numerous responses just the following: I'm a 44yr-old married guy with two young kids adn a very demanding job. I got into tri a couple of years ago and at a certain point, became quite obsessive about it all (as so many do) and it affected everything you described. Everything. At the beginning of this year, two things happened: First, my wife and I sat down and talked about the positives and negatives that came with the training and racing. Second, I got a coach who helped me balance my training time with everything else without feeling like I was "missing out". The result of these are that I am extremely aware of of how to balance my time and I have modified my goals to be able to spend more time with my family. In my case, this means focusing on olympic and 70.3 distance races, as full ironman distance racing requires too large a time commitment away from my family. I don't see that as a "sacrifice", but some might. It helped when my wife pointed out that I will likley be able to be a much faster and higher-placing age-grouper in these distances than I would be at 140.6 because the realities of my life schedule and priorities simply would almost certainly not result in getting fast enough at the full ironman distance. So, she noted, which would you rather do... strive to be on the podium in a 70.3 or just finish a 140.6 or two? This was a helpful perspective for me and may just ring true for others as well.

Bottom line: if I were single, I would train more and obsess more (and I still do both a LOT!). But I'm married and have two fantastic kids and have shifted my life around to ensure that they always come first. I dont know if this really helps in any way with your situation, but I sympathize and have been/are constantly aware of the balance and recognize that it takes a lot of work to maintain.
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mattreg3 wrote:
JimMoss wrote:
The famous Sergio thread just took a backseat to this one. I'm envisioning record-breaking views and replies.


I missed this thread... can you post a link?

Someone, anyone with a link to the famous "sergio thread"????
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow_ZZ] [ In reply to ]
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I made the mistake of making Eagleman my first long course and apparently not learning about the Hyatt. My wife, 2 year old and 6 month old daughter got to pass the time in the upper 90's watching people they did not know finish. That was my first lesson, which bmanners has since shown me the light, plan events around the family and make sure you book a hotel with a waterpark built into it.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [mattreg3] [ In reply to ]
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i think its this
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ergio_Thread_P980672

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [tlc13] [ In reply to ]
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You're a good guy.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [bkemp] [ In reply to ]
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This was good. When I did IM AZ last year, I went to Target and bought a little stuffed animal. I wrote a letter and put both in a zip-lock. At T-2, when I dumped my bag out, the volunteer said "look, you got a present." I told him it was for my wife. After the race, she told me she almost cried when I gave it to her. It didn't take much, but she felt appreciated. We now have a rule, she gets a vacation for any race that's Iron distance or longer. Although she said that my 19 year old son can go to AZ this year, but she said she'd go to Cabo for that race. We'll be in Cabo in March.

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Cabo is great. It's where my husband and I honeymooned. I needed him to acknowledge the toll that Ironman takes on our marriage and he won't. We're separated and in the process of divorcing and I'm pretty torn up about it. Much I can't see living the rest of my life not being a priority to him and it doesn't seem to matter to him.
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bkemp wrote:
Cabo is great. It's where my husband and I honeymooned. I needed him to acknowledge the toll that Ironman takes on our marriage and he won't. We're separated and in the process of divorcing and I'm pretty torn up about it. Much I can't see living the rest of my life not being a priority to him and it doesn't seem to matter to him.

This makes me quite sad! As much as IM almost broke up my marriage, I still get sad when I hear of other who it has broken up, still makes me sad.

My wife and I have had our ironman problems, and have slowly worked towards our current compromise. I now only race IM every few years, and take entire years off racing. I now spend a lot more time with her, doing shared things we both enjoy, interspersed with jobs she wants done, like painting the house and such.

I paint the house one summer, knowing that the sooner I get done, the sooner I'm allowed (for lack of a better term) to get back to training and a full on race season the next summer. I'd like to race more and she'd like me to race less so we split it down the middle and bother suffer a little and win a little. Isn't that what a marriage is all about.

As for your situation, as much as you're unhappy about your situation, it's probably best to get out now rather than later. Look for someone who is better suited to the whole you, and you will be much happier.

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bkemp wrote:
Cabo is great. It's where my husband and I honeymooned. I needed him to acknowledge the toll that Ironman takes on our marriage and he won't. We're separated and in the process of divorcing and I'm pretty torn up about it. Much I can't see living the rest of my life not being a priority to him and it doesn't seem to matter to him.

Really sorry to learn of your current struggles. Ya'll have grown apart. It happens. My wife and I had the similar problems and I don't do Tri's. Then cancer reared its ugly head and we didn't get the chance to mend things. That said, seven years later and two lovely girlfriends (not at the same time!), I'm happier than I've ever been in my entire life.

May you have the same good fortune.
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"too...tired for sex" ? I don't think I've ever been that tired. EVER!

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
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Thanks for your encouragement. I don't dislike the concept of triathlon. I volunteered for 8 hours as a finish line catcher when he completed IM St George last year just so I could be there to put the medal around his neck. He did 3 last year. I just needed some compromise. Our marriages revolves around Ironman rather than Ironman revolving around our marriage. At 33 I want children soon (and thought he did too) and thought that having kids might put his focus on having a family, but feel it would have been an injustice to our future children to take that risk. It's still hard for me to understand the choice he made.
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I said you and the rug rats could run down the finish line with me. Now get back in the kitchen!

Hilarious!
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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Simple solution.

Dont do his laundry. Don make his meals. Split chores and NEVER do his. If he denies you sex, tell him you will be dating members on ST.

But, always be interested in his hobby! That's all he wants. He is an adul, he won't starve. He will find food. He will wear dirty clothes, maybe, but that's his problem.
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jharris wrote:
Simple solution.

Dont do his laundry. Don make his meals. Split chores and NEVER do his. If he denies you sex, tell him you will be dating members on ST.

But, always be interested in his hobby! That's all he wants. He is an adul, he won't starve. He will find food. He will wear dirty clothes, maybe, but that's his problem.

I'm pretty sure I tried all of those...;) Except for telling him I'd be dating other people because despite whatever crap he pulls I'm not going to cheat on my husband. Despite all of that (and yes, I'm a cute girl) his bike seat still sees more action then I do. And triathlon is his love. Not much I can do to change that.
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jharris wrote:
rubberchicken wrote:
"too...tired for sex" ? I don't think I've ever been that tired. EVER!


^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [bkemp] [ In reply to ]
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I love triathlon. I'd do it way more if I could. I also love my wife, and I'd do her more if she'd let me :-)

she hates triathlon, mainly because of the cost, the time, the lack of jobs I do around the house, and she busts my balls about it.

Now however, I have cut way back on tri, and miss it a lot, but I have my marriage and she's been a lot nicer lately, so I guess it's worth it. Now if she'd just put out more, I'd have no complaints :-)

sorry your guy hasn't seen the light, and has chosen tri's. Hopefully you get a better adjusted guy next time.

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This is obviously a very old thread, and I am sure all of what could be said has been said. But I just have to throw in my 2 cents. What about us Iron women that are working full time, taking care of our kids, supporting the household and doing all of the cooking, chores, maintenance, etc. And still find time to look nice for our husbands and still find time to spend time with them and still want sex just as much as ever and try to schedule our training so it has the least amount of impact on our partners.... and it still isn't enough?

Selfishness goes both ways. And f*ck you for making him feel this way and for doing it on a public forum. We all have goals in life. That means partners will have to make sacrifices for each other from time to time. Sometimes it will be grossly inequitable. That is marriage. When one is down, the other lifts him/her up. Eventually together you have balance, one way or another.
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Time to get new wife?
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You just registered for this? Pic please, so the rest of the sandbox can decide how seriously to take you...
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This is obviously a very old thread, and I am sure all of what could be said has been said. But I just have to throw in my 2 cents. What about us Iron women that are working full time, taking care of our kids, supporting the household and doing all of the cooking, chores, maintenance, etc. And still find time to look nice for our husbands and still find time to spend time with them and still want sex just as much as ever and try to schedule our training so it has the least amount of impact on our partners.... and it still isn't enough?

Selfishness goes both ways. And f*ck you for making him feel this way and for doing it on a public forum. We all have goals in life. That means partners will have to make sacrifices for each other from time to time. Sometimes it will be grossly inequitable. That is marriage. When one is down, the other lifts him/her up. Eventually together you have balance, one way or another.

You tell her Jennifer!!! We need more girls like you here on ST!!!


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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe it's been pent up inside her for over a year :)

Seriously, of all of the threads to bring back to life, this is not one of them. I blame Slowman for killing the hotties thread, the IMFL T3 girl thread, and all those other entertaining ones :)


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You just registered for this? Pic please, so the rest of the sandbox can decide how seriously to take you...

And get the rest of the sister wives in the shot too!

I mean, welcome to Slowtwitch . . .

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [jennifer35mm] [ In reply to ]
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hey...did you happen to catch that flick "slumdog millionaire"??

man...great movie. ;)
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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sounds a little dramatic. Most family athletes train before anyone wakes. Or at least most have discussed their training plan. Sounds like yours isnt the case. Get a divorce and be happy, do what you like. Dont waste time on a person that rude to you. hope you will find a person who meets the needs you desire. Maybe he will meet someone who better fits his lifestyle, bummer yall grew in different directions in life. Maybe you could take piano lessons or start a hobby of your own.
Not many men are too tired for a blow job, dont be selfish for sex . trade off on the oral ?
cheers
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Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)
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Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)

That's a nice set of hooter's you got there...

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@get2T2: Well played :-)

Welcome @Jennifer35mm :-)

And we've got a pulse. Is the thread going to be revived for at least a couple of hours? I hope so. I got a few chuckles from this one when it was a newborn.

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Quite a debut.

Takes cojones to make that decision and proceed.

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glad you had the power and insight to move on and up.. best of luck...

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jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)

That's a nice set of hooter's you got there...

Shazam! I'm thinking j35mm has a bright future in this joint.
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Yes you are an Ironman widow! But just like life and sports there is always someone smarter then you and faster then you. As for an Ironman widow mine has you beat. Since 1989 I would say the number one IM widow in the world would be my bride of 37 years Rose. She has withstood the events, my travel, my training and working in between, and most of all my moods trying to keep it all sane. We both work on it together and with some roads bumps along the way she is the one that makes it smooth sailing. She is the one that makes sure you hear those words I love to say!
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Hey ... you're hot. We take back everything we said about you, but not about your gay to be ex-husband :)


jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)


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Amen sister! This single triathlete would love to find someone as passionate about the sport as she is.
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Amen sister! This single triathlete would love to find someone as passionate about the sport as she is.

Given that about 80-85% of the entries in any given tri are men, you girls really should not have any problem. Sure, a lot of them are married but so are a lot of the women. Overall I'm quite confident that you both should have the upper hand and lots of choice:)


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jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)

before you posted the pic... i's all like man she needs to chill.
after you posted the pic... i's all like yeah man she needs to leave him.


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jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)

If you do all that stuff then what exactly does your husband do? No job, no chores, no tending to the kids...uh, what else is there?
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jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)


If you do all that stuff then what exactly does your husband do? No job, no chores, no tending to the kids...uh, what else is there?

Maybe she married Captain Canada? He stays busy.

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scofflaw wrote:
ninesixfour wrote:
jennifer35mm wrote:
Pic added.. sorry the sister wives weren't available ...

I have been a long time lurker of ST, and this post caught me because I am living it currently and it struck a major chord with me. I just want people to know that it's not just the men, and it's not just the ones that AREN'T pulling their weight in other areas. I do EVERYTHING in my marriage, including financially supporting my husband and it is still not enough. Thankfully, I have HAD enough and will be taking the steps needed to move on with my life.. Without him. Sorry for the dramatic entrance, but happy to finally come out of lurkdom. I need to be with my people! :)


If you do all that stuff then what exactly does your husband do? No job, no chores, no tending to the kids...uh, what else is there?

Maybe she married Captain Canada? He stays busy masterbating.
FIFY :)
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Take everything I do for granted.. this man lives a life of luxury and none of it is enough. I could spend the entire day with him and then the next day be busy with work or the boys or god forbid a training hour and he tells we I don't ever spend time with him. Don't get me started on this shit. Do. Not. I put up with it for far too long and it's time to move along.
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [IronWidow] [ In reply to ]
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I understand that you probably came here for sympathy.

ST is the absolute worst place to go if you want sympathy. Especially for saying your husband is spending too much time with triathlon.

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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [xraycharlie] [ In reply to ]
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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.

...and the longest post ever!

But worth it. This thread has the potential to rival Dirty Secrets.

But could never surpass T3 girl from IM Florida...

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xraycharlie wrote:
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BEST POST EVER.

Thanks for the read. That was fantastic.

...and the longest post ever!

But worth it. This thread has the potential to rival Dirty Secrets.


But could never surpass T3 girl from IM Florida...

Did anyone from ST ever actually meet the T3 girl, or have an excellent idea of who she is??? I never heard how that came out after Dan took the thread off the forum. That was a pretty epic thread with many twists and turns:)


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I bet her T3 was also epic with lots of twists and turns...I mean she was well rested for it since she didn't cover the whole course.
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I bet her T3 was also epic with lots of twists and turns...I mean she was well rested for it since she didn't cover the whole course.

Excellent point, she and her BF were probably going hard in the "4th event".


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ericmulk wrote:
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I bet her T3 was also epic with lots of twists and turns...I mean she was well rested for it since she didn't cover the whole course.


Excellent point, she and her BF were probably going hard in the "4th event".

Meh, she probably faked that, too.

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I bet her T3 was also epic with lots of twists and turns...I mean she was well rested for it since she didn't cover the whole course.


Excellent point, she and her BF were probably going hard in the "4th event".


Meh, she probably faked that, too.

Could be, as in the famous fake orgasm scene in "When Harry met Sally". "I'll have whatever she's having" was one of the best lines in the history of movies:)


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I could spend the entire day with him and then the next day be busy with work or the boys or god forbid a training hour and he tells we I don't ever spend time with him.

You married a woman? I guess that's legal in several states now...

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Take everything I do for granted.. this man lives a life of luxury and none of it is enough. I could spend the entire day with him and then the next day be busy with work or the boys or god forbid a training hour and he tells we I don't ever spend time with him. Don't get me started on this shit. Do. Not. I put up with it for far too long and it's time to move along.

This is ST. The goals of the forum, as stated in the mission and vision statements of the forum, are to give athletes a meeting pace to share knowledge, experiences, and vent about their frustrations. Get started. We're here for you. Flame away.






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jennifer35mm wrote:
Take everything I do for granted.. this man lives a life of luxury and none of it is enough.

So you made a moronic choice years ago and are complaining about it?

Seriously, as someone with a great spouse, I don't get it, you made the choice. I don't get the takeaway from this, unless it's to tell the single people to actually pay attention before proposing.
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Saw her on the run... it was her "first" lap :) Not bad.


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Saw her on the run... it was her "first" lap :) Not bad.

How did you know it was her??? Did she post pics of herself???


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yeah what ever happened to T3?!

that was my favorite day on slowtwitch, ever.


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Single chic doing an IM... Was trying to get the T3 job, so I got her race number!


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what was T3? I was away for a bit and it seems I missed something great. or just a waste of time that was a good waste of time.
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jasondubose wrote:
yeah what ever happened to T3?!

that was my favorite day on slowtwitch, ever.

I think Dan took it off the forum.


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I missed that part on the first read.

NO man (Iron, or other) is EVER too tired for sex.

+1 here
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Re: Letter from an Ironman widow [chris948] [ In reply to ]
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I'm glad you have a great spouse. Not all of us do. That's why divorce is at 50%. I don't think single people need to be told they need to make wise choices. We all think we're making the right choice until one day half of us realize we haven't.
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Yeah, people change. Hopefully a couple grows and changes together. Some don't. I am one of the lucky ones.
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