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Rahzel

Jun 29, 08 19:06

Post #26 of 39 (852 views)

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Ya remember Violet Beauregarde in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? Remember how she chewed that gum that was actually a whole entire meal, complete with blueberry pie?

Well, my custom blend of Infinit always reminds me of that scene. When I drink it on my long rides, it's delicious, filling, and tastes kind of like pie (if the pie was liquid, lemon-lime flavored pie). With a small amount of protein, it's like a meal in a bottle. I actually look *forward* to drinking it!

And unlike Violet, I don't get bloated after drinking Infinit. Even when it's super concentrated!
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lkkowski

Jun 29, 08 20:08

Post #27 of 39 (824 views)

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Hey guys-

Just a quick FYI to the response " If you do the research, on paper Perpetuem (soy protein, lactic acid buffers, no simple sugars) trumps Infinit (whey protein, combination of sugars" Not true!

A combination of sugars allows the body to utilize 30% more of the calories available. Therefore 30% more energy... Thats research done by independent guys, not us. As far as the protein goes... keep in mind the reason we use whey is because it is much more stable, especially in the heat. Soy becomes putrid(?) and tastes like moldy socks(for lack of a better adjetive) There is no real scientific reason as to which protein performs.

Sorry just had to jump in on this thread. Tried to sit back and not, but its hard.

DC444

Jun 30, 08 8:38

Post #28 of 39 (752 views)

Re: Infinit Nutrition Questions [QuintanaRooster] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Done both Perpetuem and Infinit. Carly boy got me trying Perpetuem.

Perpetuem:
Spent a yr and a half on Perpetuem!!! Taste like chalk. Mixing it is like mixing flour, you better use a blender. As the stuff heats up, it taste worse. I like to think of it this way, if it doesn't even taste half decent before your ride, imagine after 2.2m swim and 110m bike. I used it for 2 IM distance races and I was only good on the stuff for about 4 hrs, then it didn't sit so well, at least for me!! I know others that use it successfully.

Infinit:
Have been using it for about 6 mnths. Love it. Mixing it is like mixing gatorade crystals. Add to the bottle and shake. I love the custom sliders as I can dial in the cals, dial down the taste and beef up the salt. Made to your specifics. I just started with the custom blend and toned down the taste, and set the cals for a round # of 300 cals, salt preset at around 426mg. May taste a little salty with the taste toned down, and salt beefed up, but I actually like the taste now. Figured I could go up or down from there. For my long rides (5+hrs) in the heat I'm doing just infinit with some salt stick tabs if it's really warm. I have a very sensitive stomach, and I just tested my game plan at a half IM distance race and never felt better. I switch to gels for the run. I'm not much of a lime fan, but like the lime in infinit. Lastly I can't say enough about there service. Check out my last post and you'll see I made some comments about there service. When a rep takes your call at 11pm on a Fri night to answer a simple question, I'm thinking they get my business!!!!!!!

****Note***: the only thing I will throw out there is for those who plan to concentrate their bottles. My last IM I did that with Perpetuem. Training worked great as you carry all your water and know how much your drinking. During IM I had my concentrated bottle and was grabbing a cold water from every station and tossing the warm one. I realized about 3 hrs in that I had no clue how much I was drinking anymore. I had no plan to think about keeping track of liquid intake, b/c in training I simply just looked at the bottles I carried. I finished, but it wasn't pretty. I'll save you the gory details, but 5 iv's the next day!!!! Just a little thing I never even thought about. Whatever you choose, make the nutritional plan something simple, you have enough to think about on race day.

Darren
IMC Aug 09

QuintanaRooster

Jun 30, 08 14:23

Post #29 of 39 (674 views)

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ok forgive me for being so ignorant. I quickly browsed the Infinit website. I keep reading how people adjust their mix/formula. So how is this accomplished? What did I miss on the website? I thought you either bought a standard mix (i.e. Ironman Formula) or you bought a custom blend. Once you buy one or the other, how does one alter the mix?

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Rahzel

Jun 30, 08 14:56

Post #30 of 39 (652 views)

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I think the wording people are using in these responses is misleading. "Adjusting [one's] mix" is usually accomplished by going to the Infinit site, adjusting the sliders on one's custom blend, and then ordering a jug of the newly altered mix. I suppose one could physically add sugar/malto/salt/caffeine to one's Infinit blend, but I'm wagering that when one refers to "adjusting [their] mix," this is what they mean :)
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Dr. J

Jun 30, 08 15:40

Post #31 of 39 (643 views)

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There seem to be two types of ironman triathletes...those who can consume anything, and as much as they want, during the race and those who have GI problems despite trying all kinds of nutrition and tactics. I am certainly one of the latter, so after trying to optimize my race nutrition, I wrote a little blurb about it. You can find it here.[http://www.tri247.com/...ition.html?category]

One thing I like to do is change from the more complex sugars early in the race to more simple sugars later in the day. For me this means 3 bottles with "iron distance tri" for the beginning of the bike and "sprint tri" in the bottle for the last quarter of the bike. You can see this distinction on the slider on the infinit website.

Hope this is helpful.

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DC444

Jun 30, 08 21:15

Post #32 of 39 (591 views)

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Just log in and open an account. You then get to save the blend you create using their IM formula as a start point. You just pick the IM blend, lime or orange and then feel free to move the sliders. The batched I ordered was the Orange IM blend. The original IM orange blend has 292 cals and 424 sodium. I just tweaked the sliders for lower on the taste and increased the cals to 300 even. I tried to keep the osmolality the same as the pre mixed blend. When I tried it, you knew there was salt in it.. ;o). I really liked it after using, especially when it became warmer outside. The second batch I ordered the lime. I noticed the lime IM blend had 307 cals and 337 sodium. I was liking the 300 cals and the extra sodium(400+) so for the lime I just moved the sliders to get the same mix I had for the custom orange I made. Now I like the lime. Just ordered two more jugs. Hope that helps. Like I said earlier if your not comfortable tweaking your own, give them a shout. They are more then happy to help. Anything else I can try to help you with let me know.

Darren
IMC Aug 09

(This post was edited by DC444 on Jun 30, 08 21:17)

TriBiker

Jul 2, 08 14:18

Post #33 of 39 (502 views)

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Hey Dave,

Guess it's a question of which research you want to believe. Which "independent guys"? I'm not knocking Infinit, but the lone article on your site, "Ultimate Guide to Protein" is hardly what it pertains to be. The main theme seems to be whether or not endurance athletes should be including protein in their fuel. It is not groundbreaking theory to suggest that we should.

"Keep in mind the reason we use whey is because it is much more stable, especially in the heat. Soy becomes putrid(?) and tastes like moldy socks." No argument there, which is why Hammer specifically recommends using the product within 3-5 hours of mixing. If you choose to ignore this advice, you live with the consequences. Most will solve this problem in an IM by simply keeping a bottle with dry Perpetuem at special needs and adding water. By the way, I have had no problem just shaking the bottle to mix the Perpetuem. I like the Ultimate Direction bottles for this purpose � absolutely will not leak even during vigorous shaking. You could use an insulated bottle but it�s more difficult to monitor the fluid level.

"No real scientific reason as to which protein performs (better)." While this may be true for periods of non-exercise, it appears quite the opposite during exercise. How about Hammer�s assertion that when metabolized, soy produces less ammonia (contributes to muscle fatigue) than whey? When I wrote to you folks about this the respondent dodged the question.

"A combination of sugars allows the body to utilize 30% more of the calories available." You'll have to prove that one. I don't see the study that supports this claim cited on your pages. My research has shown the opposite of what you are saying to be true. That is, if you are concerned about cramming in as many calories as possible (not necessarily the ultimate goal, incidentally), you should gravitate towards complex sugar and away from simple sugar. In order to match GI osmolality, simple sugars need to have a lower concentration (equals less calories delivered) than maltodextrins. And contrary to popular belief, simple sugar solutions do not digest faster than maltodextrins.

Folks, even if you never by a single Hammer product, you owe it to yourself to read the singe best summary of everything you need to know about nutrition and fueling:

http://www.hammernutrition.com/.../fuelinghandbook.pdf

I have no affiliation with Hammer Nutrition, just a satisfied customer. Perpetuem is not for everyone. No fuel is. Like anything, try it and see.

docfuel

Jul 2, 08 22:28

Post #34 of 39 (452 views)

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Rooster,
Take the intro quiz for starters. I found it really didn't give me enough sodium, so I upped that. I wanted more maltodextrin for the bike so I upped that. you can just adjust the sliders for everything and see how that balances. I tried to keep the calories under 300 since I didn't want to risk the higher calories and possible diarrhea and cramps. I did the same with osmolarity--<300. I tried it on a hot century that I made into a brick 104/6. It worked great so I stuck with it. (I ended up with ~ 25mg/oz of Na, low flavor (lemon-lime--great.), 299kcal, 297 osm, modest protein and amino acids and moderate caffeine. (I sweat like a pig and get serious white lines.)

For my run mix I wanted lower osmolarity and lower calories and a higher proportion of simpler sugars, less protein (since it won't do much good at that point) and more caffeine. So I ended up with similar Na, but ~ 240 cal and osm and higher caffeine. It worked great on long runs and in the latter stages of the long bricks.

I previously had used cytomax with extra sodium and some gels. It worked pretty well, but still had some issues. I also have tried Accelerade--yecch, especially after a few hours on a long hot day.
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Infinit2

Jul 3, 08 11:59

Post #35 of 39 (396 views)

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Hey CarlyBoy-

Sorry I didn't respond sooner! Without getting to techy or scientific here are a couple of great papers we like to refer people to-

http://jap.physiology.org/.../full/96/4/1285#BIBL
http://jap.physiology.org/.../full/96/4/1277#BIBL

They are great papers on increasing the oxidation of carbs. As far as cals go, we are not about cramming as many cals as possible, but, we do believe all bodies are different and one can utilize more than the 220 some think is the max. Also at this years American Academy of Sports medicine conference more papers were presented on the topic. I encourage all to do the research.... Its out there!

Osmolality is the key to success in all sports nutrition. Keep it under 300 and you will be successful. The science behind one sugar source just is not true! The literature behind the protein and sports is weak at best. And certainly not at levels some say is necessary.

I agree! Do the research its out there.
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Dave

TRAILZZ

Jul 3, 08 12:12

Post #36 of 39 (383 views)

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I stopped ordering when they got my order wrong and then completely ignored my emails and phone calls to get it corrected. Zero response.

4tridad

Jul 3, 08 12:58

Post #37 of 39 (365 views)

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I stopped ordering when they got my order wrong and then completely ignored my emails and phone calls to get it corrected. Zero response.

My experience has been nothing but POSITIVE. They've taken phone calls from me after business hours to answer my questions. They've also answered my questions via email. They ship the product promptly. And the product has worked well for me. Not excusing you from falling through the cracks though. But I know they're concerned about customer service.

Infinit2

Jul 3, 08 16:42

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Not sure I can explain that one! Sorry for the bad experience and certainly no excuses! We do our best to respond to all e-mails, good and bad. Please don't hesitate to call or e-mail if there is something I can do for you.
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Dave

TriBiker

Jul 4, 08 14:51

Post #39 of 39 (257 views)

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Ah yes, the Jeukendrup study. One doesn't have to read past the second sentence to see why this study is of questionable value to endurance athletes:

"Each trial consisted of 150 min of cycling at 50% of maximal power output." I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that body processes are different at 50% than at 75% or 80%. I think I could get cheeseburgers to work for me at 50%.

"Nine trained male cyclists ..performed four exercise trials." There are a host of dependent variables that would be difficult to ignore with such a statistically insignificant number.

It doesn't look like maltodextrin was included in the trials. It would thus be premature to dismiss it.

Dave, am I to understand the sugar mixture in Infinit is based on this one study? Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.

You are right about one thing: osmolality is key. Any fuel should match that of the human gut (280-300 mOsm) or internal adjustments will be made (such as drawing resources from the body) which will slow digestion, cause a downward spiral of GI distress, and ultimately hinder performance.

"The literature behind the protein and sports is weak at best." Really? I invite you to trip on over to HammerNutrition.com and type "protein" in the keyword search. My computer reports 207 results. Some are informative articles, others are very well (internally and externally) cited research papers. You could read all of them ..or you could just download the "Endurance Athlete's Guide to Success" (as apparently >500,000 folks have) which beautifully distills everything an endurance athlete needs to know. There is no mystery as to how to properly fuel oneself for an endurance event.

(This post was edited by CarlyBoy on Jul 4, 08 16:13)

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