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ga_fE_man
Nov 6, 08 5:40
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Re: IM Florida Finman [eganski]
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I really need to grow up, but I'm laughing my ass off with that pic....
x2...These "finman" threads have had me in stitches for days and this one killed me...maybe it's time for an official "finman fark" thread.
EDIT: I posted this before I saw the "cats and dogs" picture. ROTFLMAO...THAT, my friends, is a ST classic!
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Just Old Again
Nov 6, 08 6:02
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My favorite is from an article written by our mystery man: "A runner’s diet should include at least 0.4 pounds of chicken per pound of body weight."
Half my body weight in chicken...so THAT's how the pros do it!
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Just Old Again
Nov 6, 08 6:05
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Re: IM Florida Finman [devashish_paul]
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I agree with slowman...the pic should be posted so this guy's family and friend can flog him to death until NAS and USAT do their thing!!!
Again, this guy's family and friend(s) have likely never even heard of Slowtwitch, much less visit here. While ST is the center of *our* lives, it makes nary a ripple outside of a very small group of people.
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Nov 6, 08 6:08
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I doubt NAS would have not bothered at all and they would not have even blinked if it weren't for those threads read by a fair number of people who do participate in NAS events.
Fact is they knew about the guy cheating and he still shows up in results more than a day later (or is for the matter of fact still on results from the past years).
If it weren't for Slowtwitch and the "out cry" of people who actually pay entry fees for a RACE and not a ridiculous show, NAS would not bother at all.
I totally disagree with this. I know many people at NAS and they abhor cheaters as much as anyone here on ST. I believe the swim fins were confiscated and the "athlete", who was wearing an un-numbered swim cap, gave him someone else's number. It is possible he is not even listed in the results if they DQd him. It is also possible he was a bandit and there was no number at all.
I have been involved with turning in a course cutter in the past and PNF was particularly upset and worked to find the guy. He was DQd before results were final and only a few people knew about it. This was done without and public outcry.
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thenicetwin
Nov 6, 08 6:15
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Re: IM Florida Finman [devashish_paul]
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I am torn between TOTAL and ABSOLUTE hatred for anyone that cheats...let alone in such a blatant manner such as appears the case with Finman. Then thinking about his likely regret, embarrassment and fear as to retribution by the authorities, family and friends. Hopefully he will "straighten up" and lead a more honest, sincere and exemplary life.
I think the penalty should be lasting and appropriate as NAS or USAT deem.
No doubt this issue will be discussed here on Slowtwitch, training runs/rides and at races forever. We are all governed by our own "moral and ethical compass" let's hope this particular issue causes those that may waver from their own to be more true to themselves and the sport(s) we love.
Fleck
Nov 6, 08 6:15
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Dan,
Thank you. Reason and common sense prevails.
It's good that ST "uncovered" this, but that is all this place can do. Once it is turned over to NAS, USAT and Sportstats, that's all that could and should be done. I assume that these organizations will do the right things and make the right decesions. We have to put faith in them to do that, just like we put faith in our courts and judicial system to render justice. Otherwise, it get's totally out of control and anarchy reigns.
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kkoole
Nov 6, 08 6:24
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Re: IM Florida Finman [Slowman]
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There was a post on the other thread from Marc Roy from Sportstats commending ST for the information on this thread linking finman to a race number. I can't remember his exact words but as I recall the gist was that this guy has been contacted by NAS largely based on the evidence gathered on that thread. Seems to me that thread did some good for our sport.
eganski
Nov 6, 08 6:30
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Re: IM Florida Finman [kkoole]
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Covering his butt (and forum members) a little knowing that the horse wasn't even in the same zipcode when he closed the barn door means that the thread was deleted after it served it's purpose. Dan's a smart guy.
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kkoole
Nov 6, 08 6:37
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Re: IM Florida Finman [eganski]
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Totally agree, that one was spiraling out of control- I'm surprised it lasted so long. Just wanted to remind everyone that it looks as if the evidence gathered on the forum was a main driver getting this guy booted (if that indeed happens). I suspect this guy walks without the ST thread- NAS would not have the time/resources/interest of this community to gather that info.
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Nov 6, 08 6:41
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Re: IM Florida Finman [eze]
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I didn't know IMFL was an ITU style race. Awesome
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Uncle Phil
Nov 6, 08 6:45
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Well i think maybe they were just packed up to level the playing field...they weren't running Sub-9s! ;-)
NJSteve
Nov 6, 08 6:47
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Not a fin in sight. No cheaters here.
Fleck
Nov 6, 08 6:59
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Against my better judgement and earlier comment,
Then with respect I would ask that you use better judgment. It's been said time and time again that a static still picture is about the
worst
way to asses that someone is drafting. If we used this picture
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save the one guy in front is drafting! I am not saying that their was no drafting at IMFL or that even some of the athletes in this photo were not drafting, but really there should be a ban on this sort of thing.
The act of drafting or not drafting in a triathlon is a very dynamic thing. The first thing to do is slowly count to 20 or 25. You will then realize that this is a much longer time, than you really think and out on the road seesm much longer still. I have been out on the road in big triathlons following athletes around and if you know what you are looking for, know how long a time period 20 - 25 seconds is, it's actually pretty easy to tell the people who are not drafting, the inadvertent drafters and then the people who are blatantly drafting. It's this last group that you really want to target.
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TheBorg
Nov 6, 08 7:11
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No, no, no.....the outboard motor won't work. The propulsive force would shoot him to the bottom of the gulf. He wouldn't make the cut-off time.
Tontotriguy
Nov 6, 08 7:17
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Re: IM Florida Finman [THENICETWIN]
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We are all governed by our own "moral and ethical compass"
Any idea where you get a new moral compass as it think the swimturd needs a new one.
I am hopeful that this unnamed "person" either has learned from his mistake and will never enter any competition again or come clean to everyone at ST and get some sort of support to help him understand that fins in the swim are cheating, not running the full race is cheating, letting someone use your identity to enter into NYC Marathon (did not forget this fact did we?) is cheating. If he did or not take a place from someone on the podium or Konna slots is irrelevant to the discussion if you look at his time (maybe the fins were the only way he could not get cut off from the swim as he was so intimidated from last year).
I do firmly believe that USAT will do what is best for the sport and for this individuals ability to participate in the sport. As for NAS I am not so confident as they imposed the "no children rule under 6 or over 16" this year and there is video footage of people coming across the line with kids from IMUSA... and you can then see their results online, but thatis for another thread
Another possible solution to provide swimturd with is not banning him but requiring that in every event here forward he will wear a full manatee suit (see below) which clearly has the words CHEATER written on it (can someone photo shop that as I don't know how) so everyone in the race knows who and what they are dealing with ...
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Digger262
Nov 6, 08 7:18
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I definitely think that something needs to be done about this. A trolling motor is on the legal accouterment list but that has got to be a 25hp motor. Where do you think this guy held is gas can?
Judging from the location of that motor, it runs on 'natural gas'.
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thenicetwin
Nov 6, 08 8:00
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Whatcha gonna do with all that junk...all that junk behind that trunk?
kevinp01
Nov 6, 08 8:07
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Re: IM Florida Finman [THENICETWIN]
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I'm a gonna get get get you drunk, get you love drunk off my hump
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Tontotriguy
Nov 6, 08 8:45
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No, no, no.....the outboard motor won't work. The propulsive force would shoot him to the bottom of the gulf. He wouldn't make the cut-off time.
I am not sure you are correct about being shot to the bottom. The fins would have acted as a set of trim tabs and would have actually allowed him to remain just high enough in the water to make the snorkel we never got a shot of remain functional. As for the natural gas power, totally agree ... let alone being a cheater he is probably cheap so he used pinto beans and pork rinds to generate to aforementioned fuel source.
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Nov 6, 08 9:30
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For what it's worth (maybe not much), all but about 5 in that pic were still together on the return portion of the out and back. I agree with you though that even with a pic of the return portion, it is only a static pic and not proof. In the future, I'll leave the drafting calls to the stripes on bikes.
On a good note, I also saw a group of about 10-12 Pro men that looked as if they had tape measured the space between each other. Single file and perfectly spread out...fun to take in!!
Respect back at ya.
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jgomez
Nov 6, 08 9:38
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This was sportstats exact post in the "not so hidden" thread (not sure this is what you are referring to):
This participant will be DQ, its important to get the correct ID.
I was talking to Tim, the person you see off the Seadoo and he tried to get his
bib number and was provided the wrong
bib number on race day. He also did NOT have a number on his swim cap.
USAT officials I talked to today indicated he would receive a ban from USAT of
up to 2 years and lifetime ban from NA Sports
events.
I have been timing NA Sports events for 12 years and it seems we catch 1-2
cheaters every year. Many times this is hard to do without the help of you
guys.
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OneGoodLeg
Nov 6, 08 9:41
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i really feel sorry for the guy. not that he would or wouldn't get away with it- just that he would
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to get away with it. and now that he is being held up to such public scrutiny.. i guess it is just one of those very unfortunate lessons in life..
This whole affair reminds me of a story I read a few years back in Outside mag, about an ice-fishing contest up in WI... apparently, there was a bit of a scandal amid rumors that the 'winner' didn't actually catch the fish during the contest, but rather smuggled in a fish in his pant leg that had been caught previously. The author, however, wrote that he really wasn't too upset about being cheated by the scam and didn't bother calling for any punishment, feeling that the day-to-day life of anyone who would resort to smuggling a frozen pike in his pant leg would surely be punishment enough.
kkoole
Nov 6, 08 9:41
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Yes, thanks.
I doubt any ID would have occurred without the legwork from this forum.
monty
Nov 6, 08 9:47
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Don't feel bad about posting that cat 4 pic of the tt portion of the bike ride. You were not pointing out any one person that was drafting, just that most of them were. We cannot conclude which or if any were riding legal, in the process of passing, getting passed, or whatever, but we do know that they all were not in that situation. It is safe to say the majority of those guys were drafting, and leave it at that. Most likley it was all but 1 or 2 of them, and it is for the marshalls to sort that out on the road, but these pics help show the world what is really happening out there....
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