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ridesbcbmx
Oct 5, 08 19:57
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Hi all, any suggestions on a good X Terra [swim, mtn bike, run] Triathlon coach? I live in Santa Barbara, Ca. Thanks!
Millco
Oct 5, 08 20:38
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not much help i know , but Jimmy Riccitello offers one on Multi-sports
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Smil'n Hawaiian
Oct 5, 08 20:42
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Trevor Glavin.
http://tri-uscoaching.blogspot.com/
Not local to SB, but a bit further north in Monterey County if you don't mind an online coach.
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pdxjohn
Oct 5, 08 21:03
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Jim Vance? In San Diego. Pro who coaches and races both IM and Xterra. Don't use him, but his webiste would be a good start.
stef32
Oct 5, 08 21:22
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check with Melanie Mquaid.
nebmot
Oct 5, 08 21:27
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x 2 on jim vance. he is my coach, but i don't do xterra.
dustdevil
Oct 5, 08 21:57
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Another vote for Jim Vance.
jdubcx
Oct 13, 08 13:54
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I focus 100% on Xterra and have had the oppurtunity to work with 3 great coaches over the past 3 years. They all have helped me tremendously to get me where I am today. They all have a lot of experience and are racing Xterra as pros. Check them out... you won't be dissapointed.
Trevor Glavin (current coach) -
http://tri-uscoaching.blogspot.com/
- I have been working with Trevor since early august. He has helped me out over the last couple of years as well, but I gave him full control of my training leading into nationals and worlds.
Cody Waite -
http://www.epcmultisport.com/
- I worked with Cody all winter and over the summer to improve my cycling. It worked.
Jim Vance -
http://jimvanceracing.com/index2.php?pcid=8
- I started to work with Jim 2006 and he got me going in the right direction and got me to a level where I was actually competitive.
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brandonecpt
Oct 13, 08 14:03
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What's a normal coaching fee for guys of this caliber?
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ddension
Oct 13, 08 14:10
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www.thesportfactory.com
Several xterra/tri coaches and home of the Black Dome adventure racing team.
KJGrog
Oct 13, 08 14:27
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Maybe this is a whole different thread for another day, but what is the difference between a regular tri coach and an xterra tri coach?
Obviously the athlete hits the trails once or twice a week instead of the road, but anything else?
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jyeager
Oct 13, 08 15:14
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Maybe this is a whole different thread for another day, but what is the difference between a regular tri coach and an xterra tri coach?
Obviously the athlete hits the trails once or twice a week instead of the road, but anything else?
My guess is that they have the specialized knowledge/experience of mountain biking and trail running. For mountain biking it's a very big difference. If the coach wasn't an expert mtb coach you're lost.
As for the trail running, that may be mostly in the race tactics perhaps....any experienced running coach can coach you effectively for off-road running, but there is some value in specific experience (such as the need to wear socks...for most people anyway, and the need to avoid elastic laces). If your coach has specific knowledge of each run course you'll be competing in,as would be the case if they were an Xterra-savvy coach, hen they can tell you how to pace for that terrain.
brandonecpt
Oct 13, 08 17:04
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(such as the need to wear socks...for most people anyway, and the need to avoid elastic laces).
That's kind of funny because for the last 3 years of racing 5-8 XTERRA's per year I've been running sockless on all but the hottest days (socks possibly then to avoid blistering from sweat) with elastic laces.....maybe
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KJGrog
Oct 13, 08 17:59
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Brandon...For what its worth, I think you do just fine.
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brandonecpt
Oct 13, 08 20:16
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Brandon...For what its worth, I think you do just fine.
I appreciate that, but I'm still seeking my first AG win. '09 for sure, or die tryin'.
(as if I have that kind of work ethic! lol)
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seebritri
Oct 13, 08 21:09
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Maybe this is a whole different thread for another day, but what is the difference between a regular tri coach and an xterra tri coach?
Obviously the athlete hits the trails once or twice a week instead of the road, but anything else?
Many diffs between XTERRA and road tris:
Road tri is typically steady power and steady cadence over the race, followed by steady run cadence and stride over the length of the race.
XTERRA is non-typical--many and constant cadence and power changes based on terrain on the bike and stride and power changes on the run. To be able to do this effectively and still run fast is a trick only those with a MTB/trail running background or proper training can accomplish.
An XTERRA coach can help find the weakness and limiters in this stuff and can build a plan for those who need it. Some don't need the specificity. Some need it badly.
I'm a coach and a racer; when I was focussing on IM, I hired an IM coach due to the specificity involved. When I focused on XTERRA I sought out an coach with XTERRA experience and credibility for the same reason. One coach size does not fit all.
Disclaimer: I'm a coach and have racing/coaching experience at national/world level in XTERRA.
Brian Grasky
Grasky Endurance: Complete Triathlon Coaching; World Class Training Camps
JimVance
Oct 13, 08 21:19
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One of the biggest things an XTERRA coach does is the same thing any quality coach does, they look at the races on the athlete's schedule, and train the skills and energy systems specific to those races, especially the "A" races on the schedule.
This is exactly what I did with Craig Evans and Renata Bucher, the two XTERRA athletes I coach. Craig really wanted to focus on Bama and Richmond, which were the 2 races he did best at, 3rd and 5th. Renata wanted to focus on XTERRA France and Tahoe/Maui. She won France, 2 of them in France actually, and was 2nd at Tahoe. Hopefully, they will both have great races at Maui. Each XTERRA race is so much different than the others, that you can't peak for every one, and they each challenge you in different ways. You have to choose the most important races and focus on them.
You must understand your limiters on the mountain bike, and trail running, to better assess a training plan which will get you the results you want. I'm also a big believer in technology and data collection, (power meters, GPS for running, test sets/workouts, etc.) With these, you can really see and understands the specific demands of the races, and focus on those in training.
Hope this helps...
Jim Vance
jvance@trainingbible.com
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JulianInEngland
Oct 14, 08 3:53
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JIm, since you mention the use of powermeters can I ask what sort of percentage of riding you would expect to see on a road bike with a PM for Xterra athletes?
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jyeager
Oct 14, 08 5:28
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(such as the need to wear socks...for most people anyway, and the need to avoid elastic laces).
That's kind of funny because for the last 3 years of racing 5-8 XTERRA's per year I've been running sockless on all but the hottest days (socks possibly then to avoid blistering from sweat) with elastic laces.....maybe
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Hey Brandon. FWIW, I did all my Xterras this season without socks too. But most athletes would be well advised to use them, or at least to start out with them when new to Xterra. The fact is that the terrain in most Xterra runs is rough enough that you'll often pick up debris in the shoe.
And if there are crazy hills, like many in my area, the descents require (or almost require) tight lacing or you can end up with black-toe syndrone from violently jamming the toes as you control your descents down the crazy hills....I do have one specific race course in mind here, I suppose the elastic laces were OK for my other race courses. On the course I have in mind, the run portion wasn't really mountain-bike ridable. To give you an idea, the pros were relegated to hiking some of these portions. It's specifically courses like this that require a different approach to running. (as you already know).
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Oct 14, 08 8:56
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As an Xterra athlete and coach I do think it is important to find a coach with a real background in Xterra...not sure they have to be an "Xterra specific coach" but they should have a solid understanding of what Xterra racing is all about. Xterra requires a TON of strength (triathlon as whole certainly does but Xterra is slightly different). With Xterra you will never see a dead flat 40k bike or 10k run. The courses are often times technical and VERY hilly, which requires a lot of leg strength. As an Xterra athlete I feel you should be doing a lot of low cadence strength work on the bike (particularly in the easrly season), be in the weighroom, and be doing very hilly runs. Certainly, your workouts will vary depending on the time of year but, with Xterra, hills/strengthening should be a critical component throughout the year. Also, with mountain biking you have points when you are absolutely maxed out to get up a steep incline and then you have to collect yourself to make it down a fast decent and this takes practice. No Xterra course is truly "steady" and therefore your intervals should be structured accordingly...Your HR can range between 190 and 110 in a single minute during an Xterra race.
I could go on about this forever but the main take away is that your coach doesn't have to be an "Xterra specific coach" but they should have a very solid understanding of Xterra and the specific demands placed on each athlete, which requires them to have actually done some Xterra racing on a wide variety of courses.
Hope this helps!
Trevor Glavin
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JimVance
Oct 14, 08 9:47
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JIm, since you mention the use of powermeters can I ask what sort of percentage of riding you would expect to see on a road bike with a PM for Xterra athletes?
Julian,
A power meter is tool, which IMHO, should be used for every ride an athlete does, road or MTB. Craig really bought into this with me, and we had some great results because of it. The power meter in his training allowed me to make sure he was progressing the way we wanted, and the powertap on his MTB allowed us to see this in both his off-road and road rides. More importantly, it showed us how he rode in the races, and therefore we could more accurately assess the training required to perform well at the race events.
There is no set percentage, as it depends on the demands of the race course, and the skill set of the athlete. Maui and Tahoe are 2 course where road riding is probably fine, but Bama, Richmond and Temecula are probably not best for preparation mostly on the road.
Sorry to seem general, but rarely is there ever a one-size-fits-all answer to any coaching question. That's the "art of coaching".
Jim Vance
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JulianInEngland
Oct 14, 08 10:07
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Hey Jim, thank you for your response. I agree with you on the use of the PM but do recall Mel McQuaid (a PT sponsored rider) stating that the unpredictable and constant changes of pace meant that perceived effort was the prefered method for mtb training. How you set your wattage for those rides, average or a specific zone?
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brandonecpt
Oct 14, 08 10:08
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Your HR can range between 190 and 110 in a single minute during an Xterra race.
What?! I WISH at any point my HR would drop to 110 to give me a break! ;-)
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BikingJamin
Oct 14, 08 10:18
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Get a coach that can teach you the basic mechanics of your bike, seeing many many people I have raced against in Maui World Championship end up not finishing due to a simple mechanical problem. Xterra races seem to break bikes faster than you can fix them. :-) and the basic repair skills go a long way to saving you from ROASTING on the side of a volcano in HI.
stef32
Oct 19, 08 20:06
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I checked with Melanie Mquaid and she's doing online coaching, just tell her that Stef send you in her direction.
her email is,
melanie@racergirl.com
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