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Epiclesis

Oct 28, 09 6:38

Post #26 of 168 (1267 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

"$210,000"

Dude, that's a parking ticket in NYC.

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newbeee

Oct 28, 09 6:48

Post #27 of 168 (1256 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow and I thought a first time local olympic race in Omaha,NE. for $150.00 was getting high priced, well let me run to the ATM to get the entry fee. Come here in August and run our cheap race, and stay in our low priced Hilton, and enjoy midwest hospitality. see this web site.


http://www.omahatriathlon.com/
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Flak

Oct 28, 09 6:58

Post #28 of 168 (1240 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

Agreed it's getting stupidly expensive.

I can race my bike for an entire season nearly every weekend (including CX) for the price of one IM. I love triathlon, but barring a few of the fun local events, i won't be doing many of them next year.


saunaking

Oct 28, 09 6:58

Post #29 of 168 (1239 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [JohnnyEndurance] [In reply to] Can't Post

boo hoo whaaa whaa whaaa I can't afford the NYC triathlon and its ridiculous prices

ok we get it, don't do it already.

I cant afford a mercedes so i drive a honda
I cant afford a P4 so i got a used bike off the classifieds

You can still enjoy the sport and do what you love with training and smaller local races.

If i was running that tri i'd keep jacking the prices until it was $500 or i couldn't sell it out. The fact is the price is too low until its not sold out


M~

Oct 28, 09 7:01

Post #30 of 168 (1229 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [Flak] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
Agreed it's getting stupidly expensive.

I can race my bike for an entire season nearly every weekend (including CX) for the price of one IM. I love triathlon, but barring a few of the fun local events, i won't be doing many of them next year.

Why do folks continually compare tri races to cycling races? For a cycle race, you need a road. Tri races you need a road, somewhere to swim, somewhere to run and then all the added insurance that goes along with that. To compare the two sports is ludicrous.
As others have pointed out in the past, go to an insurance company and as soon as you say you are running a swim, watch your insurance premiums jump.
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Johnny99

Oct 28, 09 7:04

Post #31 of 168 (1226 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm with you. We still have lots of races in the $35 range if you sign up early. The low-cost races tend to be small, local, sprint distance events. I don't like crowds anyway. I raced 10 triathlons this last Summer and the most I paid was $70.


Flak

Oct 28, 09 7:05

Post #32 of 168 (1223 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [M~] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
In Reply To:
Agreed it's getting stupidly expensive.

I can race my bike for an entire season nearly every weekend (including CX) for the price of one IM. I love triathlon, but barring a few of the fun local events, i won't be doing many of them next year.

Why do folks continually compare tri races to cycling races? For a cycle race, you need a road. Tri races you need a road, somewhere to swim, somewhere to run and then all the added insurance that goes along with that. To compare the two sports is ludicrous.
As others have pointed out in the past, go to an insurance company and as soon as you say you are running a swim, watch your insurance premiums jump.
I understand that, and it wasn't meant as a direct comparison. I'm just saying there are other ways for me to get my fix without having to do a season of triathlons.


M~

Oct 28, 09 7:06

Post #33 of 168 (1217 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [Flak] [In reply to] Can't Post

It wasn't really directed at you but I hear it far too often. :)
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aloys

Oct 28, 09 7:33

Post #34 of 168 (1177 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [M~] [In reply to] Can't Post

In addition to the normal street closures associated with a tri, NY closes a busy highway and a toll bridge. That has to be paid for. NY is a true urban area and requires more police. NY streets are busy, and each street crossing requires one, maybe more cops. ''

I've done NY two or three times. They do a great job in a very difficult environment. But i am not paying $250 to do a tri. If you haven't done it, however, it is worth the money. Fast fun swim, great bike ride, and great crowds in central park.


jungro

Oct 28, 09 7:37

Post #35 of 168 (1169 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [aloys] [In reply to] Can't Post

Alcatraz is $400 this year. It's gonna pain me to pay this, I raced my first half in 2004 (5 flat) in a 180 dollar cannondale and basketball shorts.


Chewbacca

Oct 28, 09 7:48

Post #36 of 168 (1149 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [jungro] [In reply to] Can't Post

want to see some out of control race fee's

take a look at the Ultraman Canada website

http://216.147.105.18/blog/event-info

thats right, almost $2000 and if you are a relay team more than $4000

I'v been there 3 times, fee's keep going up, event stays crapy. Steve Brown is the RD and must make a killing off this.

here is an example of the crapyness. the swim course is 10K, there are 2 markers on the whole damn thing. no aid stations on any part of the race. no professional first aiders or first responders, you get into shit better call 911 yourself. the course isn;t even marked you just get a map to follow


Devlin

Oct 28, 09 7:49

Post #37 of 168 (1149 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [jungro] [In reply to] Can't Post

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Alcatraz is $400 this year. It's gonna pain me to pay this, I raced my first half in 2004 (5 flat) in a 180 dollar cannondale and basketball shorts.

Why do people always put their times in their posts even when it's irrelevant?

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kdw

Oct 28, 09 8:07

Post #38 of 168 (1121 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [jkahan] [In reply to] Can't Post

" do you realize how expensive it is to pay for Police and EMS services at these races?"

Maybe entry fees should be a function of your finishing time, so the slow people who cause the roads to be closed longer and the Police/EMS services to stick around longer pay their fair share.


tomziebart

Oct 28, 09 8:11

Post #39 of 168 (1116 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

You can still find some great races with reasonable entry fees - one good example is the $300 entry for TWO IM 70.3 races - The K-Swiss IM 70.3 Kansas and the K-Swiss IM 70.3 Branson. $150.00 per race! Go to www.ironmankansas.com or www.ironmanbranson.com to sign up. This offer is good until Oct. 31st! Z


Tell3131

Oct 28, 09 8:44

Post #40 of 168 (1054 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [tomziebart] [In reply to] Can't Post

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You can still find some great races with reasonable entry fees - one good example is the $300 entry for TWO IM 70.3 races - The K-Swiss IM 70.3 Kansas and the K-Swiss IM 70.3 Branson. $150.00 per race! Go to www.ironmankansas.com or www.ironmanbranson.com to sign up. This offer is good until Oct. 31st! Z
So this deal ends October 31st and NOT December 31st?
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tomziebart

Oct 28, 09 8:48

Post #41 of 168 (1039 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [Tell3131] [In reply to] Can't Post

The Price for the two race deal goes up to $350.00 after Oct. 31st - so $175.00 per race From Nov. 1st Dec. 31st. Still a VERY good price! Z


MdotD

Oct 28, 09 8:49

Post #42 of 168 (1036 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey, if paying $245 to get stung by jellyfish is wrong, I don't want to be right!


Anyone stupid enough to pay that for an Oly deserves to have their money taken from them.
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gbot

Oct 28, 09 8:56

Post #43 of 168 (1025 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

I wouldn't pay even half that for an olympic distance race. That's seriously ridiculous.

The best oly I've ever done (best organized, best course, best food tent after, only the shirt kind of sucked) is $75 and has been for years. I'll happily pay that as I can see where my $75 is going and feel like I'm getting good value.

Also, THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE?!?!?! I felt claustrophobic on the IMC course with 2600 racers. 3000 on an oly course? Never mind high fees, you couldn't pay me to race there.


firemedic

Oct 28, 09 9:25

Post #44 of 168 (986 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [aloys] [In reply to] Can't Post

First of all, in response to someone accusing me of not being in touch with my own profession, I know how it works. Secondly, the CITY pays their salaries, not the RD. I actually am on the race committee of a small local 5K w/ 400-500 participants. The city charges you a permit cost, and perhaps a fee for road closures, under a "parade permit", but they do not pay for the overtime, that's on the city's shoulders, assuming they don't just move ambulances and PO's around from existing posts. Also, many of the ambulance crews come from the voluntary hospitals in the EMS system, which isn't paid by the city at all. Thanks to the person who said, why crucify the OP for his opinion? I thought this board was a place where people could air their thoughts and opinions with intelligent discussion, not being lambasted for being of a different mindset. Also, they do a good job, it still doesn't explain the bump in price. Again - "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". And wanting someone to explain where my money going is perfectly fine. If you paid a contractor to work on your house, you could ask him the same thing! I am glad to see that I am not alone in my thinking and other examples of the RD's getting a little crazy with their fees. Again - people with the means will always pay, because they have the means. The point I'm making is that certain races shouldn't become a case of the have's instead of the have not's, and that other local RD's may then also raise their prices, continuing a vicious cycle leading to most races becoming the have's and very few for the have not's - then becoming a country club sport.
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de-tri-mental

Oct 28, 09 9:41

Post #45 of 168 (952 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

"Again - people with the means will always pay, because they have the means."

"The point I'm making is that certain races shouldn't become a case of the have's instead of the have not's"

Ethics, modesty, responsibility? You gotta go to a impoverished country where they have to get by using those ridiculous values....

Again: Why do you hate America?
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FF Boots

Oct 28, 09 9:42

Post #46 of 168 (950 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no clue how it is done in NYC but...

I know that in my city the RD gets billed for the police costs by the city. It is $65.00 per hour per officer w/ a 4 hour minimum. This fee is mandated by the police unions contract with the city for special events. It is the Police that also lets the RD know how many officers are needed to cover the course.

For a city based half marathon the bill will be around $35,000 NOT including city permits or barricades. That is police coverage only.

I will agree with you though that the price for the NYC Tri is crazy high but I also doubt it is a cheap event to produce
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596

Oct 28, 09 9:44

Post #47 of 168 (946 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll beg to differ on who pays the salaries of the police on duty for your race. I was Chief of Police in the location of the Mid Atlantic Regional Championships for USAT a few moons ago. The RD was billed directly for the services of my police officers as well as County Deputies and State Police Officers for the overtime that was earned during the race for road closures and intersection traffic direction. I'm sure some locations consolidate the bill for services and then send it to the RD for payment. These bills, considering that the officers are "working" overtime, will be time and a half and will be very expensive.

The triathletes are the first people to complain when races aren't run top notch and all likely or unlikely situations are covered by plans and personnel available immediately if and when needed. These plans and staffing for the 1 in a thousand need is expensive!
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firemedic

Oct 28, 09 9:57

Post #48 of 168 (921 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [de-tri-mental] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure where you get that I hate America because I think it's wrong to just jack up prices. I'm not saying make no profit. I'm saying have some sense of morals and ethics. The lack of them is what put the economy in the situation it is today. Home Depot paid their old CEO in excess of $200 million just to leave! AIG, Enron, Madoff, etc. The list goes on and on. Greed is not good. A desire to succeed is. America was never about being successful at the expense of others, although, it certainly isn't a case of sweatshops, etc. here. If you want un-American, look at American companies who go overseas just to avoid taxes, but still do almost all their business entirely w/ Americans. I love America, and I love the fact that it is a place where people can become successful through hard work, but should that be limited to financial success, or can it be athletically too? Shouldn't I have the chance to work hard for the chance to be successful at a triathlon? As for comments about paying cops and what not...it still doesn't explain the additional need in for $210,000 in 2 years. I know the PD, FD, and EMS salaries have not risen by 40% in the last 2 years. By the way, since when are ethics and morals and responsibility un-American values. Don't we teach our kids to be moral? to be ethical? to take responsibility for their actions? If you don't, you're doing a crappy job raising your kids. If you do, then there's a reason you do, because you want them to be that way, no matter what the venue...home, school, friends, business, etc. If you don't believe in those values, perhaps you're the one who hates America?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way...


Devlin

Oct 28, 09 10:05

Post #49 of 168 (905 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

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I'm not sure where you get that I hate America because I think it's wrong to just jack up prices. I'm not saying make no profit. I'm saying have some sense of morals and ethics. The lack of them is what put the economy in the situation it is today. Home Depot paid their old CEO in excess of $200 million just to leave! AIG, Enron, Madoff, etc. The list goes on and on. Greed is not good. A desire to succeed is. America was never about being successful at the expense of others, although, it certainly isn't a case of sweatshops, etc. here. If you want un-American, look at American companies who go overseas just to avoid taxes, but still do almost all their business entirely w/ Americans. I love America, and I love the fact that it is a place where people can become successful through hard work, but should that be limited to financial success, or can it be athletically too? Shouldn't I have the chance to work hard for the chance to be successful at a triathlon? As for comments about paying cops and what not...it still doesn't explain the additional need in for $210,000 in 2 years. I know the PD, FD, and EMS salaries have not risen by 40% in the last 2 years. By the way, since when are ethics and morals and responsibility un-American values. Don't we teach our kids to be moral? to be ethical? to take responsibility for their actions? If you don't, you're doing a crappy job raising your kids. If you do, then there's a reason you do, because you want them to be that way, no matter what the venue...home, school, friends, business, etc. If you don't believe in those values, perhaps you're the one who hates America?

Hrm. Quite the little rant, there. Well done.

A lot of the cost is going to be on the insurance. Take a look at how much insurance rates have risen in the past 2-4 years. And dragging big business ethics into it means your basic argument is weak, so you sidetrack it. And, it's a poor example. The biggest culprit in the economy are the shaky mortgage loans. And THAT can be laid straight at the feet of the average consumer, that willingly bought into housing they couldn't really afford, because they believed that they could unload the house at a profit before that nasty little ARM kicked into play.

You have a vote. Either pony up the $$, or don't do the race. And to burst out with some asinine comment like "Those with the means will always pay" just shows a personal resentment that you aren't one of the ones with the $$.

John

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draketriathlon

Oct 28, 09 10:05

Post #50 of 168 (903 views)
Re: Entry Fees out of control [firemedic] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
I'm not sure where you get that I hate America because I think it's wrong to just jack up prices. I'm not saying make no profit. I'm saying have some sense of morals and ethics. The lack of them is what put the economy in the situation it is today. Home Depot paid their old CEO in excess of $200 million just to leave! AIG, Enron, Madoff, etc. The list goes on and on. Greed is not good. A desire to succeed is. America was never about being successful at the expense of others, although, it certainly isn't a case of sweatshops, etc. here. If you want un-American, look at American companies who go overseas just to avoid taxes, but still do almost all their business entirely w/ Americans. I love America, and I love the fact that it is a place where people can become successful through hard work, but should that be limited to financial success, or can it be athletically too? Shouldn't I have the chance to work hard for the chance to be successful at a triathlon? As for comments about paying cops and what not...it still doesn't explain the additional need in for $210,000 in 2 years. I know the PD, FD, and EMS salaries have not risen by 40% in the last 2 years. By the way, since when are ethics and morals and responsibility un-American values. Don't we teach our kids to be moral? to be ethical? to take responsibility for their actions? If you don't, you're doing a crappy job raising your kids. If you do, then there's a reason you do, because you want them to be that way, no matter what the venue...home, school, friends, business, etc. If you don't believe in those values, perhaps you're the one who hates America?

Its a joke if you haven't been asked why do you hate america on ST you arent trying hard enough.

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