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ibjeff

Aug 20, 04 20:01

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Early Pro Start at Kona	Can't Post

FWIW, according to an article on xtri.com, the professionals are getting a 15 minute head start in Kona this year. They're going off at 6:45, everyone else will go off at 7:00.

http://xtri.com/headline-v.asp?id=844

Jeff
Jeff

Kagemusha

Aug 20, 04 21:02

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [je] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Thanks for the link. This may be the most significant change at Kona in years. It reflects a fundammental change in the concept of amateurs racing the same race as pros. It also opens up the notion of wave starts for Ironman distance races in general. This actually may be a good thing given the overcrowding of the mass start with the growth in the participation levels at the IMNA races.

big kahuna

Aug 20, 04 21:24

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Kagemusha] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Hey.....that's why it's called an Ironman. If it was easy, everybody would do it. The mass start is one of the attractions. I know. I've been in the middle of that mixmaster a couple of times in Kona :-)

Kicked-In-The-Face-During-The-Swim-Start-Kahuna

P Star

Aug 20, 04 22:00

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Kagemusha] [In reply to]	Can't Post

bs. First of all, IMNA has nothing to do with how Kona is run by WTC, and anyways, IMNA has done early starts for pro women before. This is just an experiment by WTC to see how it goes for them. They got rid of the stagger rule this year right? They are just tweaking things. Letting the pros out 15 min. early really isn't going to affect the numbers in T1, there just aren't that many pros compared to AG'ers.

JustJulian

Aug 20, 04 22:33

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [P Star] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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They got rid of the stagger rule this year right?

Is that definite?

"How bad can it be?" - SimpleS

MarkyV

Aug 21, 04 11:25

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [je] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I have to admit that I was quite peeved when I got word of this. As someone who was hoping of finding Mr. Siebberson's feet and giving him a run for his money I feel shafted. Yes they want to showcase the pro's out there, but it is OUR (AG's) World Championship too. Why leave us out of some of the potential spotlight? We have trained just as hard and for many of us, have done it with many more distractions. And in the grand scheme of things how many amateurs really "mess up" the order of things in the pro race anyway? I mean as soon as the bike starts BAM!!! There go the pro's away at there crazy 24mph for 4:40.

Just a swimmer crying out at a lost dream.

Kona for the first time will be an absolute blast none-the-less. This stuff is so much fun.
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Brian.

Aug 21, 04 11:39

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [aus_tri] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I don't agree with the 15 minute head start. Keep with tradition and let everyone strart at the same time.

ajfranke

Aug 21, 04 11:49

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Brian286] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I think the women should get the head start, but not the men. AG men mess up the women's race, but not really the men's race.

Getting rid of the stagger rule works for me though.
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Art Franke

Brian.

Aug 21, 04 11:54

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [ajfranke] [In reply to]	Can't Post

But you can't make concessions for everyone. The minute you start doing so it becomes unfair to someone. So the best thing to do is to not make concessions at all. Everyone start at the same time....

Kagemusha

Aug 21, 04 18:52

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [P Star] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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They are just tweaking things. .

I will not disagree with you that IMNA can do whatever it wants and WTC does not directly control how IMNA put on its races. I do think that this is something more than tweaking. Tweaking is when they actually added a start line in 1994 and made the athletes stay behind the line before the gun went off. Tweaking is gving the pros a ten meter headstart. Having two separate starts in Kona-- thats a fundamental change.

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Aug 21, 04 19:05

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [ajfranke] [In reply to]	Can't Post

agree.

I think it's fair that women get a head start...there are some really tiny pros that are risking quite a bit in the water.

the guys should start with everyone else.

sevans

Aug 21, 04 19:11

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Brian286] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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I don't agree with the 15 minute head start. Keep with tradition and let everyone strart at the same time.

Should they eliminate the 17 hour cutoff again? The minimum age requirement? Bring back support crews for the athletes? Some changes and tweaking are a good thing. I think it's good that they are trying to improve certain aspects of the race while still being willing to retract certain changes (like the stagger).

MarkyV

Aug 21, 04 21:23

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [sevans] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I once had a goal of making it to the Olympics (and believe me this week's swim practices have been awesome) but, with no love of draft legal (or any sport that involves judging or tactics... give it to me raw please... point A, point B... GO!), I now see Hawaii as OUR (LC/IM TRI) Olympics. So if we are all there as equals... should we not start as equals?
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Aug 21, 04 21:51

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [aus_tri] [In reply to]	Can't Post

equals? in Kona? this is highly overrated...no two persons are equal there...the proof: no two persons have the same rank :-)

rocco

Aug 21, 04 23:40

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Francois] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I also agree that this is a good idea. The pro woman are smashed by age group men. What will be interesting is that the slower woman swimmers will be out there by themselves all swim.

I don't however agree with the age group athletes having waves. They should still mass start.

AmericanPeople

Aug 22, 04 4:42

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [je] [In reply to]	Can't Post

So you have two clocks running; 1 for the pros and a clock that starts 15 minutes later for the AG'rs. Some dark horse AG'r finishes the race in a time that is 2 minutes faster than the 1st pro to cross the line.

Who wins the race?

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dwillet

Aug 22, 04 5:34

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [blew] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Even with a head start, the slow pro women swimmers are still smashed by age group men.

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Aug 22, 04 6:15

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [mojozenmaster] [In reply to]	Can't Post

that may have been possible years ago, but let's face it, it's getting more and more professional, and no AGer will win overall.

ajfranke

Aug 22, 04 6:21

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [dwillet] [In reply to]	Can't Post

We aren't talking about a 10 meter headstart, we are talking about a 15 minute headstart.
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Art Franke

Brian.

Aug 22, 04 6:51

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [sevans] [In reply to]	Can't Post

The idea that pro women are getting smashed by AG men, etc, is ludicrous. Everyone gets tossed, hit, kicked around during the swim in any triathlon. This goes far beyond "tweaking."

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Aug 22, 04 6:51

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Brian286] [In reply to]	Can't Post

and do you need the prize money of Hawaii to live and pay your bills?

NJSteve

Aug 22, 04 7:14

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Francois] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Does anyone see something in the fact that the WTC makes this change Friday PM, during the Olympics, during the Summer? It almost seems that they want this buried before it becomes news.

Brian.

Aug 22, 04 7:56

Post #23 of 183 (1746 views)

Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Francois] [In reply to]	Can't Post

What does prize money have to do with this?

jdavis1013

Aug 22, 04 8:04

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Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [Francois] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Lets face it, the Pros that are using triathlon to pay all of the bills are few. This is a sport driven by age groupers, and paid for by age groupers. There would be no sponsorship without the age groupers. Why not find a way to make things easier on the people that this sport is about? I invite any starving pro that has a problem starting with the rest of us, to get a job like the rest of us.

Robert

Aug 22, 04 8:35

Post #25 of 183 (1729 views)

Re: Early Pro Start at Kona [je] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I have a better idea. Start the pros at 6:45 a.m. Start all those over 50 at 6:50 a.m. and the rest at 7:00 a.m. :) Maybe we could get the AARP to put pressure on WTC? :)

-Robert
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