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gavnunns
Oct 15, 07 7:26
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No that would be Norman Stadler...oh wait he found ANOTHER excuse to quit this time...his little belly hurt! I wish people would get off Macca's back and start calling out clowns like Stadler who seem to DNF every other time just because things are not going 100% their way. I have much more respect for a 17 hour age grouper who guts it out than I do for a clown like Norman who is nothing but a spoiled little princess that takes his ball and goes home if things are not going his way. And of course don't forget Faris the fairy whose little tummy didn't feel good either so he didn't even bother showing up to race. Maybe it is just a European thing and they are soft or something but if these guys are in such "great" shape then they should be able to race even if they are sick. Yes they might not be able to win but if they are such athletes then they should still be able to put up a decent time and do it for the love of the sport...of course you would have to actually love the sport (not the money) and we all know that isn't the case for most pros especially Norman and Faris.
Bottom line is Macca WON...deal with it!
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I can't believe he'd really race without a spere. The only reason why you'd do that would be if you secretly wanted an excuse to DNF.
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I'm sure Norm and Faris, hate the sport and train all year around just for the pay check.....right
If you want to make lots of money, being a profession triathlete is a very very hard way to do it. All the pros must love the sport to do what they do and I doubt the money is little more than perk when it comes down to being number one at Kona. All of the top pros know they can go this distance and do so in ridiculously fast times if everything is working perfectly. But if they are not competitive due to illness they may as well save their fitness and recovery time for another race and more training.
Doing a Ironman when sick is stupid, do one when being healthy and competitive year around is your career is self destructive. There is a serious dip in your immune system post Ironman effort, pushing through sickness and digging deep could cause career threatening complications.
Macca won and he did so well, fair and square, best man on the day. I'm still looking forward for a Macca and Norm head to head battle though.
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Oct 15, 07 7:27
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [mdd]
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Cam Brown also pulled out. That man has finished this race a couple of times with less than ideal circumstances. If your vomiting at 2 hours into a race, your better off calling it a day. Tell me what they are going to achieve by continuing for a 10 hour ironman time.
You got to feel for someone like Cam who is in the best shape of his life, but having little things preventing him from performing his best of race day. Especially as he is running out of years to give it his all.
Here is a question for you...if you ate something that meant that you were vomiting 2 hours into an 10 hour training day, and it wasn't going to get any better, would you finish early?
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Oct 15, 07 7:31
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [mdd]
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..start of rant...
No that would be Norman Stadler...oh wait he found ANOTHER excuse to quit this time...his little belly hurt! I wish people would get off Macca's back and start calling out clowns like Stadler who seem to DNF every other time just because things are not going 100% their way. I have much more respect for a 17 hour age grouper who guts it out than I do for a clown like Norman who is nothing but a spoiled little princess that takes his ball and goes home if things are not going his way. And of course don't forget Faris the fairy whose little tummy didn't feel good either so he didn't even bother showing up to race. Maybe it is just a European thing and they are soft or something but if these guys are in such "great" shape then they should be able to race even if they are sick. Yes they might not be able to win but if they are such athletes then they should still be able to put up a decent time and do it for the love of the sport...of course you would have to actually love the sport (not the money) and we all know that isn't the case for most pros especially Norman and Faris.
Bottom line is Macca WON...deal with it!
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I can't believe he'd really race without a spere. The only reason why you'd do that would be if you secretly wanted an excuse to DNF.
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First, I am thrilled Macca won!
Second, the last time I had a stomach flu, the only thing on my mind was puking my guts out and laying on the bathroom floor hoping to die. I called in sick to work that day too. Luckily for me, I get sick days...for the pro's, race day is their pay day. Put up or shut up time...So IMO, Norman and Faris must have been hurting pretty bad to DNF and DNS, respectively. The pro's are so fast they can shut it down on the run and still put up a time must age groupers would kill to put up.
Sorry to hijack the thread!
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Oct 15, 07 7:37
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [Hamner]
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I personally can not think of a way to cram a spare tube in that frame with a CO2. I would think that maybe it is up in his helmet as this is what I do with my spare when running an aero helmet. Why not put it up our of the way in a space that is void.
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Oct 15, 07 7:49
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These guys are shooting for the win. They are not there to finish the race, they are there to win and I don't think it is a gamble even if he had a spare, when he has a flat pretty much the day is over for them.
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Oct 15, 07 8:07
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [Bman]
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I'd say he filled his tire with Pit Stop or something similar before the race. Some of the Crr testing showed that it made very little difference in wattage. If I were a fast enough runner to qualify for Kona I'd definitely consider doing that...
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SwBkRn44
Oct 15, 07 8:40
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I repeat, it's in the Gatorade bottle.
cougie
Oct 15, 07 8:48
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [SwBkRn44]
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Its not going to be in the frame. I know Trek had a bladder thing inside their frame once but thats not quite the same. You cnt have a door to open on the frame - how rigid would the bike be then ?
As the other guys have said - its either in his bottle on the bike (he's got the profile aero bottle to drink from) or in the fin of the helmet. I'm thinking the bottle though - thats what I've done in the past.
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Oct 15, 07 8:54
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [mdd]
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I assume your rant is not serious and you have no idea regarding Normann's condition. If you are interested, read the article on xtri:
http://www.xtri.com/...p;CAT=21&xref=xx
"As it would turn out, many riders in the field would respond to his pass (in an effort to keep him in site) and he quickly relinquished his main pack lead as he stopped on the side of the road to throw up. The defending champion would have to pull out before the halfway point of the bike, being taken away on a stretcher with an IV in his arm."
Normann, sorry if you have read the crap on here, and sorry about your race. Better luck next time.
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Broken Pipes
Oct 15, 07 9:13
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [SwBkRn44]
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Yeah, that's about the only place I could think of, but the only other bottle on his bike is the aero bottle. Either way, he won IMH and we are just a bunch of ham and eggers arguing a stupid little point.
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Oct 15, 07 9:42
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [mdd]
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Glad Chris won this time...and nice to see Tim D out there at 100%...been trying to find out what happened to Norman...any info as to why he was carried in via stretcher?
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TriDaveO
Oct 15, 07 10:02
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Re: Did Macca ride w/o a spare? [SwBkRn44]
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I repeat, it's in the Gatorade bottle.
I disagree.
1. He's only got one bottle cage on the bike, why waste it by carry your spare in an empty water bottle. What is the value-add? Is there an advantage to keeping the spare in a non-aero bottle instead of behind the seat? Why sacrafice the only place for extra fluids on the bike?
2. Macca is sponsored by Cliff Products. Why on earth would he use a Gatorade bottle and not one with his sponsor on it, epsecially if he's going to carry it for the entire bike. It's one thing to carry/replace bottles that say Gatorade, but it's something else to have the same bottle on the bike for the entire ride.
3. Look again at the photo:
I think he took the approach of racing to win, not racing to finish. In today's Ironman, if a pro gets a flat, the chances of winning drop significantly. He always said that he'd need to risk a DNF in order to win.
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Tom Demerly
Oct 15, 07 10:05
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I bet he would race without a spare. The rear end aerodynamics of bikes have been a focus of bike designers so it makes sense to keep this area of the bike clean if the bike designer made some effort to improve aerodynamics there.
Also, if Macca's bike was meticulously prepared with fresh rubber and some type of liquid sealant then the chances of him flatting are pretty darn remote. And finally, when there is neutral support on the bike it tends to be very timely for the pros so perhaps he was banking on that.
All that said yeah, when you figure the margins of victory are sometimes very tight a flat is effectively a loss of the win and Macca wasn't there to get top five, he was there to win. It was all or nothing.
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Oct 15, 07 10:06
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You could put a couple of spares and a ham and cheese baguette in the back of that lid he is wearing.
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cougie
Oct 15, 07 10:07
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He won by four minutes - he could have changed a tub and still won. It would be foolish and unprofessional to race with no spare tub. If he hasnt got one in the helmet (cant be the bottle as he swapped that in the race) - then maybe it fell off his seat ? IMDE was littered with tubs, pumps, cartridges on the smooth autobahn just at the start of the bike. Dunno how these guys secured their stuff, but it wouldn't have made it thru the cobbled streets.
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Oct 15, 07 11:58
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[reply]If you're any kind of cyclist, it doesn't take 5-10min to change a puncture. If you ride tubulars, you're back on the road within a minute, at most two minutes. If you're riding clinchers, maybe three minutes tops. If anyone takes 5-10min, they better work on that expect of their race.[/reply]
Ok go for it.
Post up a video on Utube of yourself slowing down, changing a flat and back on the road in a minute.
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markvoss
Aug 25, 08 11:41
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Maybe old news, but I came across this photo on an image search (a really LONG image search):
http://biest-blog.typepad.com/biest_blog/newsworthy/
That's a spare tubular in the left pocket of his jersey/tri-kit top heading into T2.
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Aug 25, 08 12:50
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Not so fast on that...
If I recall, there was an interview with Heather Fuhr talking about how people loaded up their bikes after doing IM-WI. I can't find the article now, but she was amazed at how much stuff age groupers put on their bike... water systems when there's aid stations every 20mi or so, bike tool kits and tires.
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Aug 25, 08 13:53
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i just did IMC with one bottle cage on my bike and a tubular, 3 gels and some e-caps in my jersey pockets. that was it. no problem and i was never even close to running out of fluid or food. i put 2 more gels in my special needs bag and a bottle of Nuun which i drank and then tossed. if i wanted more water i took a bottle at the beginning of the aid station, drank what i needed and tossed at the end.
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Aug 25, 08 15:04
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The rear end aerodynamics of bikes have been a focus of bike designers so it makes sense to keep this area of the bike clean if the bike designer made some effort to improve aerodynamics there.
It's very hard to imagine a small seat bag doing more harm to his aero profile than whatever that big baby blue thing is that's flapping out on his lower back. Seriously, if he's so concerned about being aero that he won't pack a spare, how could he ignore that?
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Aug 25, 08 15:14
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Seriously, I don't think that's such a bad idea! Not sure how the extra weight might affect the helmet's comfort, but it's basically unused space that wouldn't impact the aerodynamics of the bike.
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Aug 25, 08 17:17
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The rear end aerodynamics of bikes have been a focus of bike designers so it makes sense to keep this area of the bike clean if the bike designer made some effort to improve aerodynamics there.
It's very hard to imagine a small seat bag doing more harm to his aero profile than whatever that big baby blue thing is that's flapping out on his lower back. Seriously, if he's so concerned about being aero that he won't pack a spare, how could he ignore that?
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Aug 25, 08 17:30
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I was down in Pucon Chile on January 20, 2008 and I beat Macca in the IM Dot 70.3. How? He got a flat and walked the bike off the course (DNF). I draged my slow grigo butt to the finish line and got a finishers medal that day (he did not). Tim
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Aug 25, 08 18:03
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I think tom is right, I am sure the guys at the front can be offered neutral support very quickly.
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Aug 25, 08 18:19
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that's his race #
That's his race number for the run, isn't it? Do they have to wear those on the bike? He could put that on in T2, couldn't he? It sure would make more sense than having it flapping in the breeze at that spot (which is a very important spot, aerodynamically) for 4 1/2 to 5 hours.
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