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macka86
Nov 21, 08 1:27
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DT Swiss HUBS VS ZIPP hubs
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Hey all, So quick run down, The Scott Plasma LTD 2 is being built with Sram Force and Zipp wheels
however while the rims are the Zipp 1080 and 808 rims they are built with the DT swiss hubs and spokes
So questions, is this because it saves money or are the DT swiss spokes and hubs better then the ones Zipp have
Whats your thoughts? Are chris King the best hubs?
footwerx
Nov 21, 08 2:24
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depends on which model of DT Swiss hubs you're talking about, and which DT spokes.
macka86
Nov 21, 08 3:16
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The hubs are DT Swiss 240
flying wombat
Nov 21, 08 3:36
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Re: DT Swiss HUBS VS ZIPP hubs [macka86]
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DT makes very good hubs, and the 240's are excellent. I have been abusing them off road for 3 years and they have held up very well. I wouldnt suggest the Chris Kings for road, they have very tight bearing seals which makes them great for mountain biking in wet and muddy conditions and the the freehubs are bombproof. The downside is that they have a lot of bearing drag until broken in (which would take a long time on a set of race wheels) and the freehub noise can be obnoxious. If you have money just burning a hole in your pocket you could spring for the DT Swiss 190 with ceramic bearings, its lighter and the ceramic bearings will lighten you wallet thus enabling you to go faster ;-)
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macka86
Nov 21, 08 3:58
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You do know alot about hubs, are the zipp Hubs have ceramic bearings, are the zipp hubs better then the DT swiss 240s
Macho Grande
Nov 21, 08 4:51
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Zipp hubs do not have ceramics as a standard feature, but their standard steel bearings are pretty damn nice. I would say the Zipp hubs and the 240's are on par with each other. Now if we're talking the DT Swiss 190's, well, that a whole nother kettle of fish, those hubs are amazing!
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Rappstar
Nov 21, 08 7:18
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On major difference is that the Zipp hubs allow you to set preload with a preloader. DTSwiss hubs use the end caps to set preload, so basically your skewer sets the tension. In practical experience (I have a lot of miles on both 240 and Zipp hubs), I don't think this makes too much difference, but just be aware that on a bike with horizontal dropouts (i.e., most tribikes), you often need more tension to keep your wheel in place, which means on DTSwiss hubs, you'll be putting more preload on the bearings.
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footwerx
Nov 21, 08 8:10
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in terms of performance for a race wheel you will not notice any difference. The 240s are cheaper than Zipp hubs, and about 35-40g heavier. Everything else has been pretty much covered by others. oh, and the DT Swiss hubs don't allow for straight pull spokes, which the zipp hubs use.
For a race wheel, it should not matter too much but my experience is that the Zipp freehub body is more durable than the DT Swiss body. I can't remember if the Zipp hub is made of Ti or aluminium but it certainly gets chewed less easily than the DT Swiss freehub body.
Macho Grande
Nov 21, 08 8:20
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I agree with your durability statement, so long as you don't over torque the freehub body as my FORMER shop did....Yeah, $110 lesson there.
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chicanery
Nov 21, 08 8:56
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How many horizonal dropout having tribikes don't have adjustment screws?
I've encountered this on an 8 year old P2 classic, but not on any other tri bikes I've seen, including mid-90's Zipps. They even had the adjusters on the vertical dropouts.
Chris
Tom Demerly
Nov 21, 08 9:59
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Be sure you are comparing them with the
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Zipp hub which is a significant improvement over the previous versions.
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/
(NOTE: This poster owns a retail business selling triathlon related products).
Flak
Nov 21, 08 10:44
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This isn't even a contest. DT.
radford
Nov 21, 08 11:09
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i talked to richard at wheelbuilder.com about the exact same ? he said the dt zipp wheel is a way better set-up than the zipp standard set-up
macka86
Nov 21, 08 11:14
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What about the Zipp Zed Tech Version against them, The Zipp Zed Tech is their top of the line version, arn't they better then all
ShoMyOFace
Nov 21, 08 11:23
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised with the responses from the Zipp worshippers. These hubs are not even close. Zipp makes good hubs, and you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but the difference is that you can remove the rims and rebuild for a mountain bike with the DT's, and thus, to quote Fleck "This isn't even a contest. DT."
If you're looking for the best, DT, if you're shopping for price, get the cheapest, and if weight is a big deal, then weight.
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Nov 21, 08 12:39
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I don't think any particular hub is the "best". The comment about Chris King seals is a good illustration. The real question is, what do you want your hubs to do?
I have two sets of wheels with Zipp rims on DT240 hubs. 808s on 24 spoke hubs and 202s on 28 spoke hubs.
For me, there are two reasons to do this. First is cost. I saved a few hundred dollars on each set and that was part of my goal, especially for the 808s. For the 202's, I wanted light wheels that would support my then 210 lbs (185 now!). Using the DT hubs allowed me to go with 28 spokes front and read and three-cross both sides in the rear. Without going custom, I don't think Zipp had that option available. The 808s are great for the TTs and the 202s are wonderful for climbing (1245 gms) and are still strong enough for crits!
What I got from this approach was saving a few bucks, very strong wheels, and in the case of the 202s, more than single purpose wheels.
hth
kluecke
Nov 21, 08 12:40
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In my opinion, DT hubs are the best available hands down. The 240s are amazing, and the 190s are beyond compare. Also, many newer DTs DO allow straight-pull spokes, as opposed to what a comment above states.
Kevin
SecondMouse
Nov 21, 08 12:41
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Sorry to hijack, do you have an opinion on Hed hubs (specifically rear hub from 2006 Alps). I've got a fairly new one sitting around, after tacoing the rim, and am trying to figure out what to do with it.
macka86
Nov 21, 08 18:53
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I want to know what is better, it seems that everyone likes DT hubs because of how universal they are, but they are on race wheels and race wheels only. So when racing in a triathlon which hubs are smoother, roll better etc
Flak
Nov 21, 08 19:19
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DT Swiss. They make great wheel components.
Zipp make aero wheel components.
flying wombat
Nov 22, 08 3:06
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Not sure about the 2006 Alps, but we have been selling quite a few Ardennes wheels and Jet wheels with the new Sonic hubs and for the most part they have run super smooth, although we did have one with a rough front bearing that HED replaced without question. HED does seem to use a high quality bearing with their hubs.
Kevin
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flying wombat
Nov 22, 08 3:12
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I dont think there would be a significant or really any difference between wheels build with a DT set versus the same Zipp hubs. My personal take is choose either 240 or standard Zipp hub depending on cost. I remain unconvinced that the ceramics (190 or Zed Tech) offer any significant performance benefit in a loaded situation. I remember Jens did multiple tests on Zipp wheels with the standard steel bearings and the ceramics using an SRM and rollers and was unable to detect a difference at 30mph.
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macka86
Nov 22, 08 4:21
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So why are they building the wheel with the DT hubs instead just leaving it as they normally are
full zipp build
flying wombat
Nov 22, 08 4:34
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I would ask them as to their reasoning. I would lay my bet on the cost factor, although 240 hubs are not exactly cheap. They may also feel (as I do) that the DT rear has a better and more durable freehub design than the Zipp hub although for road and especially tri race only use I dont think that it would be a factor unless you are a big rider.
Kevin
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footwerx
Nov 22, 08 4:35
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because out of america, eg australia, zipp wheels are not imported fully built. they are imported as rims and hubs and built up locally by the distributor.
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