You're calling bullshit on estimating an 800m time based of a a 5 mile race result? I don't think that is too outrageous, unless I have literally no top gear, if I can run 20 consecutive 87sec quarters I don't think a couple 70s is completely out of the realm of possibility.

If I was basing a marathon time off a 5k split I could see your BS call.

I'll try to find a track sometime soon and get back to you.

I don't use power on the bike. I can't swim very well. I can run ok. Just thought I'd add to the thread because I can do under 70sec for 400m.

Before du nationals in richmond april/08. Early in the race week did 5 x 400m:
1. 69
2. 68
3. 69
4. 68
5. 68

I went up to race tupper lake half ironman june/08. Early race week I did 5 x 400m:
1. 68
2. 68
3. 69
4. 69
5. 68

Week before that I did 5 x 800m:
5 x 800:
2:35
2:29
2:28
2:28
2:27

I think it is tough to do under 70sec for 400m. I haven't been doing much speedwork since june so I think if I went to the track right now I'd have a tough time at it. Back in april and may I was racing sprint races almost every weekend so I had some good speed. But right now I haven't been running faster than 5:30 pace so a sub 70sec 400 might just be 72.

Yo 42,

Here's my data for the same race. I'm 5'10", 155 lbs.
FTP estimated at 290w as of that date.
Entire workout (234 watts):
Duration: 2:04:52 (2:05:10)
Work: 1707 kJ
TSS: 133.7 (intensity factor 0.812)
Norm Power: 240
VI: 1.02

I have a decent position, on an ok bike (old Alu/CF B2 - ext. cables, Ouzo Pro fork).
Jet 90 C2 front, disk cover rear. Bonty RXL Pro tires, Michelin 18-20 latex tubes.
Profile aero bottle, RSS "aero" (round w/ "dimples") water bottle on seattube.
Spiuk helmet.

I think the combo of: 2k short, flat, smooth, and endless slingshot drafting (and it was also a mostly calm, overcast day) is what led to the ridiculously fast times. I was shocked at how fast I went for such relatively low watts.

For reference, my HIM PB bike prior was at Tupper Lake - I biked 2:22 on a rolling course that gains over 2k feet.
Entire workout (217 watts):
Duration: 2:21:11 (2:21:56)
Work: 1775 kJ
TSS: 134.7 (intensity factor 0.769)
Norm Power: 227
VI: 1.05

OK - what's my CdA then?? Apparently, my bike itself is incredibly UNaero, what with all the exposed cables, alloy Vision base bar, non-aero fork, generic "aero" frame tubing, no rear wheel fairing, Profile bottle up front, seattube water bottle, etc etc etc.
I guess on a P4 I could go <2hrs easily, huh?? ;-)

"I live in the city, so the road with a 400m straightaway isn't going to work. And I am not going to be running quarters at a high school track in the ghetto."

Well if you really can run 70s quarters, there aren't many people in the ghetto who will be able to catch you unless they post on ST as well...

Now thats some funny shit right there.

What is your ST-FTP? Mine's about 680.

C'mon, be honest;

This thread is just another "geek-check", right?

I mean, how much of a tool would you have to be to actually read this thread, and then go test yourself solely to log-in and post the results.

This month let's give guys time to work in some speed and then crack 70 seconds in a 400m run. This should be hard but achievable by some, but I believe only the minority of ST posters.

In November we will have to do the "break 70 second for 100m swim" challenge after everyone is in the hurt locker with broken body parts on account of trying to break 70 seconds for 400m running and thereby confined to the pool :-)

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by a masturbation type workout? And if you feel this way about it then why do it?

It seems like eveyone on ST is a mega stud. Everytime I turn around there are dudes talking up their FTP's well north of 300W, everyone seems to be able to run a mile under 5 minutes and swim 400m under 5 minutes too.

FTP?
I've gone 2:09 (1/2split) for what its worth.

On the thread about the marathon world record, I noted that Geb's 400m run pace was basically 70 seconds average for 105.2 consecutive 400m "repeats" without stopping. Then I got all these dudes claiming that they could keep up with Geb's pace for 400, 800 or even a mile (4:40ish mile pace....).

--So I call bullshit on you guys--.

When I am fit (5k shape) I can hang for a few miles....
right now about half that.
Does this count (62sec/400)?? :
Event 47 Men 1500 Meter Run Invitational
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Name Year School Finals
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1 Russell Brown UNATTACHED 3:49.66
2 Joel Bosserman UC DAVIS 3:51.72
3 Sean Peterson SOUTHERN ORE 3:51.81
4 Justin Hurd UC DAVIS 3:52.38
5 Chris Eggers CHICO STATE 3:52.88
6 Sean Gross UNATTACHED 3:55.35
7 Justin Rau UC DAVIS 3:56.33
8 Beau Bettinger CHICO STATE 3:56.53
9 Jak Kuehn UNATTACHED 3:56.86
10 Kyle Ivie CHICO STATE 3:58.43
11 Steven Springhorn CHICO STATE 4:00.38

Ahh yes. swimming. I just PR'd in the 400yd last week: 5:27! Woot! Watch out Marky !!! :)
I'm on the "work full time, have a life, and let one of three diciples give" program.
Maybe if I can drop 3 sec/100 per year.....

Electronically here at ST, I'd swear that I am back of pack racer, but each time I go to races, depending on the field I end up in the 90th - 98th percentile of racers....and I'm talking all my sports....triathlon, running, XC skiing (we won't say anything about swimming, cause I don't enter swim races).

So here's the deal.

Between now and Sunday, all you guys go to the track. Do whatever warmup you like. Taper as much as you want. Heck, take out your high school spikes. Then line up and pull off your fastest 400m. You can pick inside, outside or lane 4....your choice. Record your time and post here on ST. Show us how studly you really are. All honour system

Who is in? I doubt I can break 70 seconds. I'll be hard pressed to do 75 seconds.

Dev