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snotrocket

Jun 30, 08 19:05

Post #26 of 42 (1512 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

I have been your co-worker before. A co-worker (I'll call him J) and I just hit it off the first time we met and I just thought the world of him but not in a romantic way. On numerous occasions we went out and J'd get drunk and confess his love for him and I'd always play the "I can't have a relationship with someone I work with" card but I really did think the world of this guy and loved him, I just wasn't IN LOVE with him.

Another co-worker asked me if I'd be okay if she set J up with one of her friends and I told her I was fine with it but I wasn't sure if I was. Even though I wasn't into J it was nice knowing he thought I walked on water. I didn't figure one date would turn into anything but it got pretty serious. This was when I knew I wasn't the one for J. I could have acted according to my ego and told him I was into him just to see if he picked me over the other girl, but that would have been selfish and unfair to do to him. However, if my feelings for him where romantic and genuine I would have acted. Through all of this we remained good friends and he ended up marrying the blind date girl and has a one year old. Even though we now live in different cities we communicate almost every day and he's one of my best friends.

So I have 2 points to this email:

1. move on with your life and date other girls and it will either spur her to act or you'll move on

2. you can remain good friends with her through all of this and not be an ass (just don't go to the total sappy other extreme and send her flowers all the time, right poems, etc. - treat her like you would treat a good friend)
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kittycat

Jun 30, 08 20:48

Post #27 of 42 (1484 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [tri_2b_athlete] [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Another lurker jumping in here...

She's just not that into you. Sure you could play some games to get a couple of dates, but she's known you long enough to know what you have to offer and if she's not into you now, she won't be into you once the game stage is over.

 
yeah, i think this is good advice too. even though my initial vote is for trying, i think feelings are worth that. but, if the response is weak, then...she's just not that into you. it's good to have that reality.


CamR

Jul 1, 08 6:55

Post #28 of 42 (1424 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

 
gotta go with the other womens - if she was into you, the relationship would already be different.

and, am I the only one who thinks you shouldn't sh!t where you eat?? if you work together regularly, it could get very awkward going forward.

sorry, I know it sux. we've all been there, but if it's right, it's right and you can't force it.


axlsix3

Jul 1, 08 9:47

Post #29 of 42 (1386 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [CamR] [In reply to] Can't Post

Sometimes you can't help who you fall for, which is my case. Believe me, I didn't want this to happen but it did. C'est la vie. NOw I gotta clean up and try to make the best of it.


shelly

Jul 2, 08 8:57

Post #30 of 42 (1288 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

Two problems I noticed right off the bat. One you refer to her as a"friend". This is the kiss of death when it comes to women. The word friend to a woman is the same as the word brother. Would you do your sister? Hope not! Once a friend always a friend to a woman. The second thing I noticed was the statement of how"comfortable" you feel around her. You should feel giddy,excited,or horny at the start of a relationship not comfortable. We'll save that for 10 years down the road.....jmho.


axlsix3

Jul 2, 08 10:21

Post #31 of 42 (1250 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [shelly] [In reply to] Can't Post

I do consider her a friend, but I want more than that. Believe me, every time she's within 5 feet of me I have a tremendous urge to lean over and kiss her, and then some. Human resources might have to be called in :) I can assure you there is no 'sister' feeling here.

I have not called or texted at all and our interaction at work thus far has been cordial and very professional - no 'what did you do this weekend', chit-chat, etc. It feels very weird and she seems very close-off which under the circumstances is probably expected as I'm sure she's trying to figure out what the hell is going on as well. Good times, good times.... not!


Marco in BC

Jul 2, 08 11:02

Post #32 of 42 (1229 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [trailbait] [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Right now, you are living in fantasy land with this woman. She likes your attention and she will continue to accept it until another man comes along and then she will string you along a little while longer because she is addicted to the attention you are giving her, but chances are very high that she will not end up with you. If you keep giving her attention, she may kiss you out of guilt or if you get drunk together you might get a little action but that will only make things worse in the long run because you will be encouraged and she will be feeling the same.

It's great that you are experiencing feelings that make you feel alive but when you meet your match, a true life partner, you will be doing so much better than where you are right now.

I would encourage you to put some time and space between you two, see about dating some other women, and then re-evaluate your feelings. Please don't be like my friend who is now in his early 40s and still chasing women he can't have. It's really tragic.

Don't get in the friends zone with women because more often than not, they will keep you there for good.

 
+1000000000000000

I wish somebody told me this when I was in my early 20s and I was doing the exact same mistake as the poster... this should be advice any guy should be given the moment he hits puberty, would save a lot of people a lot of heartache.

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(This post was edited by Marco in BC on Jul 2, 08 11:03)


trigirl19

Jul 3, 08 9:58

Post #33 of 42 (1114 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [Steve-oH!] [In reply to] Can't Post


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do yourself a favor and vow never to do something nice for a women to TRY and make them LIKE YOU...

if you do nice thing for an attractive women it screams "needy" to them....women like confidence...someone who is having a great life and may invite someone to come along with them...and by the way....looks are very secondary to women...confidence and a man that is a challenge comes first with attractive women....

 
Totally disagree on your 2 statements:

1. "If you do nice thing for an attractive women it screams "needy" to them...."
If a guy does a nice thing, then girls will take notice. If he does 1 or 2 nice things and it shows the girl that the guy has boyfriend potential. If a girl likes a guy AND he does something nice for her, then she'll like him even more. If a girl doesn't like a guy AND he does something nice for her, it may not make her like him but she can go tell her girlfriends that he's not a jerk and maybe set him up with one of her girlfriends.

2. "looks are very secondary to women...confidence and a man that is a challenge comes first with attractive women...."
No, looks are important too. The girl has to be physically attracted to the guy as well as to his personality. If a girl is not attracted physically to the guy, then even if he has the greatest personality in the world, he will only be "a friend" and not boyfriend potential. The guy has to be confident but if he starts playing games and ignores her to try and make her come running back to him, that rarely works. If a girl thinks a guy is dating other women or lost interest, then she's not going to pursue a guy who is dating and smacking lips with 10 other women. As far as she's concerned, the other women can have him and she can move onto someone else who will pay more attention to her.


HeatherC

Jul 6, 08 6:49

Post #34 of 42 (945 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

True story, for what it's worth.

24 years ago, my best buddy (male), who I had refused to date because it would "ruin a good friendship", told me he couldn't take it any longer and that we shouldn't see each other for awhile.

I lasted a week without seeing him. Called him up, told him I didn't think it would work, but that we could go out on a date. We've been married for 23 years, and still going strong.

Morale: Limit your interaction and you'll find out for sure what's happening. I had issues about relationships, but his move cured them. You may never know what the story is unless you try a bit of separation.

HeatherC


IKnowEverything

Jul 7, 08 11:54

Post #35 of 42 (847 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [HeatherC] [In reply to] Can't Post

Similar story; my wife shot me down when I tried to ask her out in college; we had been very close friends for a long time. Then after I joined the military and was gone for long periods of time and we were unable to talk, the feelings grew. When I finally got back, we started dating. Engaged 6 months later, and married a year after that :)


Dan Os Fan

Jul 8, 08 15:40

Post #36 of 42 (762 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

Steve Oh is right, you need to play hard to get, but be sure it is without playing games or having an agenda. You need to stop being the puppy to the master.

When I met my wife three years ago I had just started a new job so I was working seven days a week, I was very busy and had little time to give her. So it was a big deal for me to get time to do something with her and it puzzled her that I wasn't giving her more attention. I think if I wasn't so busy then I would have done the nice guy routine like I usually did and who knows if we would have ended up together. I will joke from time to time that I was playing hard to get without playing the games.

You need to stop being the friend, because it clearly isn't what you want.

Good luck !


tri_2b_athlete

Jul 9, 08 13:02

Post #37 of 42 (697 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [Dan Os Fan] [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that the reason this works is because people who are comfortable with themselves and have full lives are naturally more attractive than those who don't. When you have a full life, you tend to miss phone calls and have less time for someone else. Players will try to fake this type of lifestyle by deliberately ignoring you, but they usually take it too far....like not calling back for a few days whereas someone who was sincerely busy will call back as soon as they can. Women have pretty good instincts and can usually tell the difference. Some women will ignore their instincts, which the man picks up on and decides that she's needy, and we find ourselves in a cycle that people try to avoid by coming up with "rules" based on their interpretation of what went wrong. In other words, go about your business, live your life, and it will all work out.


(This post was edited by tri_2b_athlete on Jul 9, 08 13:10)


braylan

Jul 12, 08 16:53

Post #38 of 42 (581 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [snotrocket] [In reply to] Can't Post

I just read this whole thing for the first time and was wondering how things are going. I've been in your situation before and it's absolutely terrible. What makes it even worse is when they get into a relationship and expect you to be friends with the new person.


erichollins

Jul 13, 08 14:54

Post #39 of 42 (533 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [axlsix3] [In reply to] Can't Post

I know that it is tough for you to be impartial in this situation, but standing as an outside 3rd party, I would recommend telling her that you have strong feelings for her and if you she can't return them, then you need to back off, possibly permanently. I can understand your feelings of fighting for what you want, but if it isn't there, it isn't there. Definitely don't wait for her to change her mind; it just isn't fair to yourself. Do whatever you need to do to get through this, spend time alone, go date a bunch of random girls, go hang out with the guys, because I know it is tough.
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trigirl19

Jul 16, 08 12:48

Post #40 of 42 (423 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [tri_2b_athlete] [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think that the reason this works is because people who are comfortable with themselves and have full lives are naturally more attractive than those who don't. When you have a full life, you tend to miss phone calls and have less time for someone else. Players will try to fake this type of lifestyle by deliberately ignoring you, but they usually take it too far....like not calling back for a few days whereas someone who was sincerely busy will call back as soon as they can. Women have pretty good instincts and can usually tell the difference. Some women will ignore their instincts, which the man picks up on and decides that she's needy, and we find ourselves in a cycle that people try to avoid by coming up with "rules" based on their interpretation of what went wrong. In other words, go about your business, live your life, and it will all work out.

  This situation often time fails though. If a guy is too busy to take the time out to return your email or pick up the phone and call you, then the girl will look else where. What girl would want to be with someone who is either too busy for them or plays games pretending to have a busy life?


QRgirl

Jul 16, 08 20:06

Post #41 of 42 (361 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [trigirl19] [In reply to] Can't Post

What girl would want to be with someone who is either too busy for them or plays games pretending to have a busy life?

The thing is, if one person is really into another person, they will make time to see them no matter what the situation is.


girlpower

Jul 21, 08 12:15

Post #42 of 42 (238 views)
Re: Love advice needed from the Womens [kittycat] [In reply to] Can't Post

My husband was my buddy first. I did not see past that friendship thing for a long time, even though he did. He persisted, and I came around. Man am I glad he's not a quitter!! He's still my friend, but he's so much more now.

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