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fishead
Oct 5, 08 22:49
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the following is making the email rounds:
How Racism Works...
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his
graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do'
to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she
no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to
pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable
organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Princeton (BA) and Harvard Law
(JD)?
What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the
election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism
does.
It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one
candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is
a color difference.
You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a
weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises,
bank foreclosures, etc.
Educational Background:
Obama:
Columbia University - B.A.
Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A.
in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A.
in Journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire?
PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter....
"I came to Alaska at the perfect time, the price of crab was high, they didn't think cocaine was addictive and there were no sexually transmitted diseases that couldn't be cured with antibiotics....the plan was to live fast and die young...I guess it didn't work out" Wayne Baker
jenhs
Oct 5, 08 22:54
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Exactly.
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TripleThreat
Oct 6, 08 1:38
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It's strange (IMO, willful) how people can look at the situation of a biracial candidate with a "middle eastern" name, and VERY limited experience (I mean really, he has essentially no political experience), leading the election and see "racism at work".
Why would people look at McCain's college grades, while ignoring his vast political experience? Likewise, why would anyone look at Obama's college grades, and ignore his vast LACK of experience. Isn't experience an important aspect for a candidate?
You're complaining that "it's close" (it isn't that close), and completely ignoring the fact that he's WINNING. Like, duh. Lots of elections have been "close". I guess if/when Obama wins the election, racism will still be at work b/c he didn't win by a big enough margin. "Hey look trees! We should be getting close to the forest."
I'm sure racism has occurred in politics many times, but I ain't seeing it in this one. Obama, at least in Illinois, has often used his ethnicity and funny name as a means of making himself "endearing" to the voters. It hasn't hampered him much. I'm curious if the number of people that will vote against him because of his ethnicity outnumber the amount of folks that are voting for him because of his ethnicity? (I would have no way of knowing, I'm just curious as to whether his ethnicity actually helps or hurts him).
FWIW, I will likely vote for Obama, in part for his views/ideas on education issues, in part because I want to see what he can do, and his "downside" isn't (IMO) all that big (comparatively). This is a strange election for me. I usually feel as though I have to choose between bad choice A and bad chjoice B. I could go with either guy in this election, despite them being so different.
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el fuser
Oct 6, 08 3:12
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>>I'm sure racism has occurred in politics many times, but I ain't seeing it in this one.
The polls are seeing it.
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Oct 6, 08 4:36
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It's strange (IMO, willful) how people can look at the situation of a biracial candidate with a "middle eastern" name, and VERY limited experience (I mean really, he has essentially no political experience), leading the election and see "racism at work".
Why would people look at McCain's college grades, while ignoring his vast political experience? Likewise, why would anyone look at Obama's college grades, and ignore his vast LACK of experience. Isn't experience an important aspect for a candidate?
You're complaining that "it's close" (it isn't that close), and completely ignoring the fact that he's WINNING. Like, duh. Lots of elections have been "close". I guess if/when Obama wins the election, racism will still be at work b/c he didn't win by a big enough margin. "Hey look trees! We should be getting close to the forest."
I'm sure racism has occurred in politics many times, but I ain't seeing it in this one. Obama, at least in Illinois, has often used his ethnicity and funny name as a means of making himself "endearing" to the voters. It hasn't hampered him much. I'm curious if the number of people that will vote against him because of his ethnicity outnumber the amount of folks that are voting for him because of his ethnicity? (I would have no way of knowing, I'm just curious as to whether his ethnicity actually helps or hurts him).
FWIW, I will likely vote for Obama, in part for his views/ideas on education issues, in part because I want to see what he can do, and his "downside" isn't (IMO) all that big (comparatively). This is a strange election for me. I usually feel as though I have to choose between bad choice A and bad chjoice B. I could go with either guy in this election, despite them being so different.
Well you can speak for yourself but you can't know that 100 of white America has an open mind about Obama even though he's black.
OTOH a LARGE percentage of the black population will vote for Obama so racism works both ways.
malcoda
Oct 6, 08 4:59
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"I'm sure racism has occurred in politics many times, but I ain't seeing it in this one."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI
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David in FL
Oct 6, 08 5:41
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You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
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I understand that the academics are all you've got though.....
BTW, since you're so interested in Barry's academic career, why is he so secretive about his time at Columbia? I've heard that he won't release his thesis.....is that right? Something to hide......?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
TripleThreat
Oct 6, 08 5:48
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Good grief folks.
Nowhere did I suggest that 100% of white America is not-racist. There's no way any reasonable person could make that assumption/interpretation.
As for the West Virginia youtube video, if that's a fair representation/characterization of white America, I'll take back my comments ... and move to another country. Geez.
I guess I was thinking about racism on the large scale. A small % of the voters have stated they won't vote for him b/c of his ethnicity, he's still ahead in the polls big time.
Now, if a much greater significant % were not voting for him b/c of ethnicity, I'd agree. If he as a highly qualified non-white candidate with vast experience, great ideas, and other similar credentials would not even be considered as a candidate ... then I would concede racism is at work.
But, none of that is happening. A "few rednecks and hillbillies" (i.e., <5% of the voters) are voting against him b/c of race, and you want to scream "racism is at work" against Obama. Again, how many voters are voting for him because he is biracial/black/ethnic? Does it wash out the "racist vote"? I know another poster has already explained in another thread that voting for him because he's black isn't racism, but that's just PC gymnastics to avoid spouting outright BS (IMO).
Again, he is winning.
You can't view his nomination as a completely inexperienced politican (he won the senate in Illinois primarily because the front-runner, Ryan, had to drop out of the race), his leading the polls against a politician that is pretty well liked/respected by many and has a ton of experience, and STILL cry racism is at work ... or say that any situation not a landslide for Obama is "racism at work".
The OP can point out all of these situations and assume what the reaction would be if it were Obama were divorced, lower end of his class, etc. But, they completely ignore the situation of him quite possibly being the next POTUS w/o ever doing much as a politician except running for office (seriously). How'd he get a free pass on that? IMO, for the vast majority, his ethnicity/uniqueness is a plus or at worse not a factor.
That to me speaks much more loudly than dwelling on the 5% of America that will likely never get past 1950.
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Oct 6, 08 5:58
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How Partisanship Works...
Fixed the title for you.
;)
"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised." - George F. Will
el fuser
Oct 6, 08 6:36
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You are The Boss... which team would you hire?
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why is he so secretive about his time at Columbia? I've heard that he won't release his thesis.....is that right? Something to hide......?
I hope you do a better job of hiring "director level executives" than you do researching political issues:
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/...8/07/24/1219454.aspx
el fuser
Oct 6, 08 6:45
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"I'm sure racism has occurred in politics many times, but I ain't seeing it in this one."
http://www.youtube.com/...=c-q4MDQ0cDI
Thanks for posting that. I've tried to explain to my big-city brethren what it's like in the southern half of fly-over-country, and they just don't believe me.
David in FL
Oct 6, 08 7:01
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This is your idea of "research" into the question?
Still no paper.....just one self-professed "big Obama supporter" who says that by his recollection, he doesn't think that there would be anything controversial in it.
What is interesting is that it appears that the paper in question wasn't a thesis per se, but rather an essay written to demonstrate decision making abilities. I can certainly understand how he could want something like that to remain unavailable!
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
el fuser
Oct 6, 08 7:11
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This is your idea of "research" into the question?
Still no paper.....just one self-professed "big Obama supporter" who says that by his recollection, he doesn't think that there would be anything controversial in it.
What is interesting is that it appears that the paper in question wasn't a thesis per se, but rather an essay written to demonstrate decision making abilities. I can certainly understand how he could want something like that to remain unavailable!
Yeah, in my 5 minute search, I was able to determine it wasn't a senior thesis, Columbia didn't do that back then. In fact, it was an essay written for a class, covering the decision-making process that OTHER people were using.
Baron said that, even if he could find a copy of the paper, it would likely disappoint Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” he said. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.”
Like I said, I sure hope you do better research on the people you hire.
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Oct 6, 08 7:31
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You guys are getting off topic. The point here is that if you are not supporting Obama, you are clearly a racist.
"It's all about self-esteem"
el fuser
Oct 6, 08 7:34
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You guys are getting off topic. The point here is that if you are not supporting Obama, you are clearly a racist.
No, if you'd bother applying yourself, you'd see that there are quite a few die-hard democrats and independents from the south that won't vote for Obama because he's black, and/or they think he's a foreign muslim.
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Oct 6, 08 7:34
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I would say if you are a Democrat and you are voting for McCain then you are pretty much a racist.
Greg66
Oct 6, 08 7:40
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Surely all that demonstrates is that you work in a field where academic achievement is not necessary for being successful (either that, or you're not doing your job properly ;-) )
But I don't see how that translates to the most powerful position in the western world. Given a choice between an intelligent person and (let's say) a not so intelligent person in the WH, I'm pretty sure I know which one I'd prefer.
I would have thought that the US was largely satisfied that its dalliance with inverted intellectual snobbery wasn't such a good thing.
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Oct 6, 08 7:50
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OTOH a LARGE percentage of the black population will vote for Obama so racism works both ways.
Your reasoning is flawed. Black people historically vote Democrat even with no black on the ticket. In the '04 election it was 88%. This is nothing new.
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Oct 6, 08 7:57
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OTOH a LARGE percentage of the black population will vote for Obama so racism works both ways.
Your reasoning is flawed. Black people historically vote Democrat even with no black on the ticket. In the '04 election it was 88%. This is nothing new.
To borrow a well used quote " OK I admit I screwed up the facts".
I knew the numbers were high this election, didn't realize it last election.
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Oct 6, 08 7:58
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I don't think racism has much to do with that. The same kind of crap happened with Bush and his opponent(s) were not black.
Republicans of late have made a good career of appealing to the dumber half of the world by making it seem like smart people are elitists that think they know everything.
Its amazing.
David in FL
Oct 6, 08 8:08
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Surely all that demonstrates is that you work in a field where academic achievement is not necessary for being successful
True.......and with the probable exception of academia itself, most exectutive level positions do not require significant academic achievement 25 years ago, but rather actual current performance and experience in dealing with the unique challenges associated with the position to which they aspire. One doesn't become an executive from 4 or 6 years of collegiate academic achievement, but from the experience, education, and lessons learned from the
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I'm not knocking academics......college performance is important in separating out candidates for entry level positions where the candidates have little other experience to indicate their relative likelihoods of success in the position. It's also a valid discriminator in highly technical industries.......an EE degree with honors from MIT is certainly indicative of a better likelihood of success than a bottom 30% EE degree from Fred's college, bar, and grill. Solid academic performance can certainly help get on the right career path in the first place, but I'd suggest that POTUS isn't an entry level job nor, as Joe Biden is so fond of saying, does it lend itself well to on the job training.
Given a choice between an intelligent person and (let's say) a not so intelligent person in the WH
Of course. Just don't mistake education for intelligence. They're not necessarily synonymous, although the liberals of academia would have you believe otherwise!
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
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I would say if you are a Democrat and you are voting for McCain then you are pretty much a racist.
Wow.
If you're a Republican and vote for Obama, are you sexist because you're not voting for the ticket with the woman on it?
Damn logic gets in the way every time, doesn't it?! ;-)
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
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You guys are getting off topic. The point here is that if you are not supporting Obama, you are clearly a racist.
No, if you'd bother applying yourself, you'd see that there are quite a few die-hard democrats and independents from the south that won't vote for Obama because he's black, and/or they think he's a foreign muslim.
Huhbubuduhuh? I never mentioned party. The OP lays out data (okay, a limited data set) that proves that Obama IS the superior candidate, in a thread named "how racism works". What are we supposed to draw from this?
"It's all about self-esteem"
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Oct 6, 08 9:18
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Me too. This is what an Ivy league education means to me. At the ages 14-18 you were a very motivated person. Congratulations! What have you done since?
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Oct 6, 08 9:27
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Anyone catch Chris Rock's new HBO special. The segment on racism kills me!
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