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Why don't you believe?

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Mr. Tibbs

Nov 19, 09 16:32

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Why don't you believe?	Can't Post

Why are you choosing to go to hell?

Mr. Tibbs will justify your sins.

Tiki

Nov 19, 09 16:40

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I'm going to re-regsister (again) with a new ST identity that will summarize everything that I stand for, all of my beliefs, in one simple phrase. It will leave no doubt about what I believe in and who I am. It will be deeply personal...

...I'll call myself....

"I don't believe in Tibbs"

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"I will endure rain, cold, lack of showers and all discomfort until the finish. I will fix any mistakes, do whatever it takes and continue to the end." Lee "Fuzzy" Mitchell

SwBkRn44

Nov 19, 09 16:41

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Honestly, because I don't think it "matters." As in, my belief or lack thereof in any faith or supreme being will have no impact on my life.

From there, I just don't have time. As someone in another thread mentioned, I view it as sort of a hobby. Between work, friends, family and other activities I enjoy, I don't have time to invest in something that I am not interested in. If I had more free time, I'd probably take up cross country skiing, or spend more time snowboarding, or do more fishing with my Dad, before I'd invest time into a faith.

baxnelly

Nov 19, 09 17:10

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Why are you choosing to go to hell?

Because t-rex ate my Jesus fish....

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Mito Chondria

Nov 19, 09 17:35

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

because I'm rational.

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JasoninHalifax

Nov 19, 09 17:40

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

because i refuse to believe that God wouldn't have already kicked the Devils ass....

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BarryP

Nov 19, 09 19:20

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

According to my funy coworker, it's because I'm either afraid of what my peers will think, or I am afraid to contradict logic (yeah....that second one kind of threw me).
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hgrong

Nov 19, 09 19:34

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Re: Why don't you believe? [BarryP] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I too am afraid to contradict logic. You never know what is going to happen!

chrisesposito

Nov 19, 09 19:38

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Why are you choosing to go to hell?

Tibbs, at the last meeting of the He-Man Christian Haters Club the word was that you were going to be there, and how else are most of us ever going to get to meet you?

Chris

sphere

Nov 20, 09 4:58

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Evidence that compels me to believe in certain ideas likewise compels me to disbelieve in other incompatible ideas, particularly when those incompatible ideas were not particularly convincing to begin with.

"...more than 24,000 children under age 5 die every day from preventable causes like pneumonia, malaria, measles and malnutrition. Nearly 200 million youngsters are chronically malnourished, more than 140 million are forced to work, and millions of girls and boys of all ages are subjected to sexual violence...

"1 billion children are deprived of food, shelter, education, health care, clothing, clean water or sanitation."

http://www.post-gazette.com/...2.stm?cmpid=news.xml

I suppose this too is an example of confirmation bias, but we can only work with what we're given.

Irrigation stops a smelt's beating heart

(This post was edited by sphere on Nov 20, 09 4:59)

eganski

Nov 20, 09 5:06

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Love thy neighbor, Tibbs, and be a decent human being. You're taking two friends to Sizzler for Thanksgiving even though you can't afford it, you live your life in accordance with God's Moral Law, it's ok that you don't believe in God.

When you get to Heaven, God will look at you, smile and say "For someone who didn't believe in Me you sure did have a funny way of showing it! The Iron Maiden concert begins in 20 minutes."

Thom

Nov 20, 09 7:04

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gonehome

Nov 20, 09 7:51

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Why are you choosing to go to hell?

Because their healthcare plan is better than Austrailia's.

MJuric

Nov 20, 09 9:20

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Thom] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I look around me and see the intricate complexity of the universe, the beauty of a sunset and the miracle of birth and I just can't imagine how a being capable of creating all that can "just happen" by "random chance".

I think it's a reasonable question, at least one that holds both sides of the debate to a similar standard. If "creationists" can point out that scientist have not yet solved the mystery of the "origins" then I think it's on reasonable to point out that they have no yet solved the mystery of "Who created the creator".

If it's an acceptable answer for them to say "He always was" then it should be an equally acceptable answer for scientists to say "It just always was".

The difference is that those with faith will never examine the question of "Who created the creator" and scientist will indeed try to figure out the origins. Once that mystery is solved, if it ever is, then they will move on to figuring out how the origins of the origin happened and so on.

~Matt

slowguy

Nov 20, 09 9:24

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Re: Why don't you believe? [MJuric] [In reply to]	Can't Post

"If it's an acceptable answer for them to say "He always was" then it should be an equally acceptable answer for scientists to say "It just always was". "

The obvious difference being that scientists don't believe that, so it would be entirely disingenuous for them to reply that way. Those with faith don't examine the question of "who created the creator?" because it has been answered. Our scriptures pretty clearly address the idea that God is eternal.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

mmrocker13

Nov 20, 09 9:43

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Because really, if there were a Higher Power, I doubt he/she would be alone. Most races/species/breeds don't get very far with only one member in their club. Now, maybe their are a bajillion of them, and we are just the plaything one ONE...but if so, I find it difficult to believe that that Being really cares about each and every Ant in his Farm.

Because I think religion is something the human mind has created to make itself feel better about or explain their place in the world. The concepts of "nothing" or "there is no purpose to us...we just ARE." are difficult for our brains to comprehend.

because I don't look at the world and all its complexity and fascinating things and feel like there has to be a single creator. They just are.

Because I don't need to look to "god" to tell me that it's not nice to be mean to other people or that I should treat others like I'd like to be treated. That's pretty much common sense and a good plan for negotiating in society.

Look, I would love to believe...it would be great to have that sort of comfort and reassurance. But I don't. I really never have.

I believe in lots of stuff: ESP, ghosts, "other" types of beings/creatures, etc. And I believe that "Jesus" was probably a very real person--maybe even a real shaman or magician. I just don't believe in God. I find that concept... well, kind of silly and far fetched.

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Trieatalot

Nov 20, 09 10:39

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

For the same reason I don't collect stamps, or bowl, or write poetry, or big game hunt...because I have other hobbies that interest me more and occupy my free time.

Thom

Nov 20, 09 10:47

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Re: Why don't you believe? [slowguy] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Those with faith don't examine the question of "who created the creator?" because it has been answered. Our scriptures pretty clearly address the idea that God is eternal.

In that other thread I don't think one person responded with, "because the Bible says so". That doesn't make for a very compelling argument. Most of the genuine responses were along the lines of the one I borrowed above. Now you've pointed out that that argument only works with premise based on faith. I don't think that was mentioned by anyone that presented those things as "evidence".

Thom

slowguy

Nov 20, 09 10:51

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Thom] [In reply to]	Can't Post

"Now you've pointed out that that argument only works with premise based on faith. I don't think that was mentioned by anyone that presented those things as "evidence". "

If we've had all these discussions, and you're just coming around to the realization that faith and science are different, then we're way behind the power curve.

My point was that there is no compelling reason for those of faith to examine what came before God, because one of the primary tenets of that faith is that nothing came before God. The same can not be said for science and the origins of the universe.

Slowguy

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WVTRIMAN

Nov 20, 09 11:03

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Re: Why don't you believe? [slowguy] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Thanks to Kirk Cameron, I kinda do now. Wow. What a revelation! I think everyone should see this and it might open your eyes also!

http://www.cnn.com/...ameron.evolution.cnn

I never knew that Darwin was a racist and also was mean to women. I don't know about you, but that changes my opinion of evolutionary theory!

Thom

Nov 20, 09 11:12

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Re: Why don't you believe? [slowguy] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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If we've had all these discussions, and you're just coming around to the realization that faith and science are different,

I certainly realize that. I was just pointing out that many were making arguments that sounded like evidence but are really based on faith. Well, actually you pointed it out, I was just pointing out that you pointed it out.

slowguy

Nov 20, 09 11:26

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Re: Why don't you believe? [Thom] [In reply to]	Can't Post

"I was just pointing out that many were making arguments that sounded like evidence but are really based on faith. "

I think too many non-religious people think the definition of the word "evidence" only applies to concrete scientifically measurable physical objects, but that's not true.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

wonder bread

Nov 20, 09 11:31

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Re: Why don't you believe? [WVTRIMAN] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I sure hope he's not a member of my denomination. We have enough wackos as it is.

Thom

Nov 20, 09 11:36

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Re: Why don't you believe? [slowguy] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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I think too many non-religious people think the definition of the word "evidence" only applies to concrete scientifically measurable physical objects, but that's not true.

I'll assume you aren't referring to me, since I used the beauty of a sunset in my example.

WVTRIMAN

Nov 20, 09 11:41

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Re: Why don't you believe? [wonder bread] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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I sure hope he's not a member of my denomination. We have enough wackos as it is.

Where do you draw the wacko line? Is someone who is more religious than you a wacko but someone who is less religious a heathen?
This sounds like George Carlin's talk about fast and slow drivers... "People driving faster than you are maniacs and if they are driving slower then they are idiots." or something like that.

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