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AlanShearer
Oct 8, 08 9:50
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [Bruce Wayne]
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I always ask this question at this time of year, why does the media concentrate so much attention on stupid people....by stupid people I mean the undecided voter. This campaign has been going on for 18 months with the candidates constantly on our TVs our newspapers and the internet. We know where they go to church,what they eat for breakfast, where they stand on Georgia, Afganistan, Korea and Venezuela. We know their kids' names, theit favorite teams, and the person who designs theie wives' clothes. We know too much about these guys.
In ths year's presidential campaign the two candidates could not be more different in every regard; they are worlds apart on outlook and policy. The only way you can be undecided at this point is if you have not been paying attention...which makes you stupid, or if you can't tell the difference...which makes you stupid.
So all these stupid people get to sit in focus groups, in town hall audiences, in little CNN debate chat rooms, and their opinions are help up as things of importance or relevance. Gimme a break!
NO MORE STUPID PEOPLE ON TV!!!
More tolerance from the left I see. At least you are consistent in your hypocrisy.
Seems that, at least in this thread, this intolerance is shared by many at the other end of the spectrum.
AlanShearer
Oct 8, 08 9:52
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [old-as-dirt]
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I'm undecided. I'm a registered Democrat. That's in name only, as I consider myself more libertarian -- a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I don't vote party lines, and was willing to vote for the McCain of 2000. I've been following the campaigns closely. And while I have long recognized that the McCain of today is not the McCain of 2000, I still believed that he had not so fallen off the cynical deep end. I would have easily and gladly voted for him. While I disagree fundamentally with many of his positions, I recognized his record of, at times, being his own man. I also recognized that a Democratic congress could keep some of what I found to be the more extreme elements of the Republican platform in check. Likewise, I like the idea of a Republican president keeping a Democratic congress in check. While I would prefer the roles reversed (Democratic executive, Republican legislature), I like the idea of true checks and balances. In other words, in my opinion, gridlock is good.
However, there was a limit on what I could stomache (for lack of me wanting to come up with a better word) in the name of gridlock. The McCain of 2000 (or something close to that) was one. However, the Palin choice has changed all that. It's showed me that McCain is not even close to the McCain of 2000. And the possibility of someone so fundamentally unqualified and unfit for office scares the shit out of me.
So I'm seriously reconsidering. I guess that makes me either stupid or an attention whore.
So fuck off, you elitist prick.
you think too much
I guess that's what we stupid people do.
HH
Oct 8, 08 9:56
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [bugatti]
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>> he's voting for McCain because he's left-handed
And so is Barack Obama. Your carpenter is going to be happy no matter who wins...
No. If the carpenter was right handed he would be happy if Obama won.
Hoegaarden wishes and Super Record dreams, HH
AlanShearer
Oct 8, 08 9:59
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [David in FL]
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It doesn't happen often, but I couldn't agree with you more. Anyone who claims to be undecided at this point is incapable of making any kind of rational decision in the first place.
And anyone who thinks that way is incapable of understanding nuance. Simpleton.
Nuance?! Now
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understand
the differences on an intellectual basis.
Maybe if you think really, really hard about it...........be careful not to hurt yourself with the effort though.
Those are really the only two possible reasons why someone may still be undecided? I'll stand by my simpleton comment.
When I think hard about things, I generally don't get hurt. But if that's been your experience, I can see your concern.
Bruce Wayne
Oct 8, 08 10:02
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [AlanShearer]
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I always ask this question at this time of year, why does the media concentrate so much attention on stupid people....by stupid people I mean the undecided voter. This campaign has been going on for 18 months with the candidates constantly on our TVs our newspapers and the internet. We know where they go to church,what they eat for breakfast, where they stand on Georgia, Afganistan, Korea and Venezuela. We know their kids' names, theit favorite teams, and the person who designs theie wives' clothes. We know too much about these guys.
In ths year's presidential campaign the two candidates could not be more different in every regard; they are worlds apart on outlook and policy. The only way you can be undecided at this point is if you have not been paying attention...which makes you stupid, or if you can't tell the difference...which makes you stupid.
So all these stupid people get to sit in focus groups, in town hall audiences, in little CNN debate chat rooms, and their opinions are help up as things of importance or relevance. Gimme a break!
NO MORE STUPID PEOPLE ON TV!!!
More tolerance from the left I see. At least you are consistent in your hypocrisy.
Seems that, at least in this thread, this intolerance is shared by many at the other end of the spectrum.
The difference being the left is they ''party of tolerance'' which is where the hypocrisy comes in.
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David in FL
Oct 8, 08 10:20
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [AlanShearer]
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Those are really the only two possible reasons why someone may still be undecided?
I gave 3 reasons...... Let me guess, math isn't a strength any more than critical reasoning is......huh?
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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dave_w
Oct 8, 08 10:21
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [AlanShearer]
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Seems that, at least in this thread, this intolerance is shared by many at the other end of the spectrum.
Well, the thing is that if you are on either end politically, thinking is over with the end of primary season. The rest of the campaign is for defending your guy, and impugning the other.
"It's all about self-esteem"
tyrod1
Oct 8, 08 10:23
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [MattinSF]
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this may shed some insight:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/...itle=the-stupid-vote
dreaming~big
Oct 8, 08 10:35
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [David in FL]
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count me in as a stoopit. independent and still undecided. phi beta kappa, order of the coif, magna cum laude, B.A., M.A., J.D., and stoopit. i'll decide when i'm in the voting booth. and each vote counts just the same. or as they say in Chicago, vote early and vote often. :)
last tri in 83
Oct 8, 08 10:38
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i'll decide when i'm in the voting booth
Seriously?
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dreaming~big
Oct 8, 08 10:39
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [last tri in 83]
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yeah. what's the rush? i like to watch the show.
David in FL
Oct 8, 08 12:16
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [dreaming~big]
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B.A., M.A., J.D
Ahhhhh, well, the J.D. explains it! ;-)
The amazing thing is that I'm actually agreeing with Ken and Matt on something.......must be climate change, because Hell's frozen over for sure!
At issue isn't whether someone should be thoughtful and learn as much about the candidates as they can before deciding for whom to pull the lever in November. At issue, at least IMHO, is that this crappola has been going on for close to 2 years now. If someone
has been paying attention
for the last 2 years and still hasn't formed enough of an opinion to know which candidate best meets their own requirements, they're not going to receive some kind of devine inspiration in the next 27 days. In fact, as the campaign goes on, candidates have a tendency to change their stances in response to polling, public reaction, and their perception of what they need to say in order to win. It could be argued that you learn more about the genuine candidate earlier rather than later in the process.
Reminds me of what's often referred to as
analysis paralysis
in the business world.......the fear of making a decision without over-analyzing every last piece of data available on a given subject. It invariably leads to sluggishness and an inability to react in a timely manner to rapidly changing situations. Something to be avoided at all costs.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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Rob C in FL
Oct 8, 08 12:51
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"In fact, as the campaign goes on, candidates have a tendency to change their stances in response to polling, public reaction, and their perception of what they need to say in order to win. It could be argued that you learn more about the genuine candidate earlier rather than later in the process."
Actually, the conclusion one would logically draw from your first sentence is that if you wait until later in the process, you'll know better whether or not a candidate
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David in FL
Oct 8, 08 13:05
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Actually, the conclusion one would logically draw from your first sentence is that if you wait until later in the process, you'll know better whether or not a candidate is genuine. If anything, that would seem to be an argument against making an early decision.
My point wasn't to determine whether a candidate is more or less "genuine". It was to point out that if someone is really interested is analyzing the candidates' positions in an effort to determine which better matches their own values, they might be more likely to see the
real
candidate earlier rather than later.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
dreaming~big
Oct 8, 08 13:07
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so now that you're all set on voting for the pubs (i assume), doesn't it give you just a slight pause that mccain's proposal to subsidize the underwater homeowners is a piece of socialist legerdemain first espoused by the dems and undoubtedly intended to cut them off at the knees? better to wait till all the cards have been played, i think. why a rush to judgment?
last tri in 83
Oct 8, 08 13:07
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Rob C in FL
Oct 8, 08 13:15
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"My point wasn't to determine whether a candidate is more or less 'genuine.' It was to point out that if someone is really interested is analyzing the candidates' positions in an effort to determine which better matches their own values, they might be more likely to see the real candidate earlier rather than later."
Yes, I understood that. I was merely pointing out that there's another opposite conclusion that one could draw at least as readily from your observation. In any case, I don't think you can really separate the issue of value-matching from the issue of genuineness. If a candidate isn't genuine, is he's that easily swayed by polls, any apparent matching between his present positions and your values is likely to be meaningless anyway.
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Oct 8, 08 13:20
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In ths year's presidential campaign the two candidates could not be more different in every regard;
Therein lies the problem. The stupid people actually think these candidates are different and will lead to different policies being promoted when they are elected.
The smart people realize they are pretty much the same in every vile, nasty way and scum sucking political way and are still trying to figure out which one will suck less in some yet to be determined insignificant way.
David in FL
Oct 8, 08 13:24
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Re: Why are stupid people so important? [dreaming~big]
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so now that you're all set on voting for the pubs (i assume), doesn't it give you just a slight pause that mccain's proposal to subsidize the underwater homeowners is a piece of socialist legerdemain first espoused by the dems and undoubtedly intended to cut them off at the knees? better to wait till all the cards have been played, i think. why a rush to judgment?
I've never liked McCain and this latest sure doesn't do anything to change that!
Having said that though, the election is about a lot more than just which candidate resides in the White House. Veto power with Dems controlling both the House and Senate, Repub VP breaking ties in the Senate, and upcoming SCOTUS nominations are important considerations too. No rush to judgement here.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
David in FL
Oct 8, 08 13:30
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If a candidate isn't genuine, is he's that easily swayed by polls, any apparent matching between his present positions and your values is likely to be meaningless anyway.
I guess it depends on whether he's
changing
his position in reaction to the polls, or just
claiming
to. I suspect it's more the latter than the former in most cases.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
Alpern
Oct 8, 08 13:31
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I think #2,3, and 5 describe me pretty well. I
know
I'm not stupid. I'm just having difficulty coming to grips with the Obama tax bullshit, because ultimately I care a lot more about how much the government is going to fuck me personally than I do about the rest of their policy positions.
We all need to remember that the President doesn't enact legislation. He doesn't write bills or put them to a vote. It's the interaction of the President and the Congress that makes things happen, so you need to consider your presidential vote in that light - where do you think Congress goes? Who will you vote for there?
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old-as-dirt
Oct 8, 08 13:35
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I always ask this question at this time of year, why does the media concentrate so much attention on stupid people....by stupid people I mean the undecided voter. This campaign has been going on for 18 months with the candidates constantly on our TVs our newspapers and the internet. We know where they go to church,what they eat for breakfast, where they stand on Georgia, Afganistan, Korea and Venezuela. We know their kids' names, theit favorite teams, and the person who designs theie wives' clothes. We know too much about these guys.
In ths year's presidential campaign the two candidates could not be more different in every regard; they are worlds apart on outlook and policy. The only way you can be undecided at this point is if you have not been paying attention...which makes you stupid, or if you can't tell the difference...which makes you stupid.
So all these stupid people get to sit in focus groups, in town hall audiences, in little CNN debate chat rooms, and their opinions are help up as things of importance or relevance. Gimme a break!
NO MORE STUPID PEOPLE ON TV!!!
More tolerance from the left I see. At least you are consistent in your hypocrisy.
Seems that, at least in this thread, this intolerance is shared by many at the other end of the spectrum.
The difference being the left is they ''party of tolerance'' which is where the hypocrisy comes in.
does being the party of tolerance mean you have to tolerate stupidity? you got a choice between chocloate pudding and vanilla ice cream. your favorite desert might be strawberry flan, but that ain't on the menu. its real simple. chocolate pudding or vanilla ice cream, it shouldn't take this long to make a decision.
unstable and unable --- mccain and palin 2008
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Oct 8, 08 13:36
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If a candidate isn't genuine, is he's that easily swayed by polls, any apparent matching between his present positions and your values is likely to be meaningless anyway.
I for one don't have problem with people changing positions. I change my mind every day.
BUT, I want that change to be based on new facts becoming available about the situation or issue, not because of polls or lobbyist dollars.
AlanShearer
Oct 8, 08 13:37
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Those are really the only two possible reasons why someone may still be undecided?
I gave 3 reasons...... Let me guess, math isn't a strength any more than critical reasoning is......huh?
You said, "The only way you can be undecided at this point is if you have not been paying attention...which makes you stupid, or if you can't tell the difference...which makes you stupid." I count two. Unless "the only way" means something else to you.
David in FL
Oct 8, 08 13:48
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You said, "The only way you can be undecided at this point is if you have not been paying attention...which makes you stupid, or if you can't tell the difference...which makes you stupid." I count two. Unless "the only way" means something else to you.
Alan, Alan, Alan....... MattinSF said that in his OP, I didn't.
I said, and you responded to: "If you're unable to recognize them then you either
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haven't been paying attention,
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you don't have a personal value system that's defined well enough for you to make a decision, or
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you're unable to
understand
the differences on an intellectual basis.
Do we need to add reading comprehension to your growing list of personal challenges here?! ;-)
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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