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balanceguy
Nov 2, 09 14:33
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Where is the Packer Nation vs. Brett Favre thread?
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I guess Lambeau is still Brett's house. ;)
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Nov 2, 09 15:17
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This game turned out pretty much as I expected. The Vikings are clearly a far more talented team.
I expect the Packers to go 8-8 or maybe 9-7. The division title is already out of reach. Ted Thompson needs to be fired. He's had five years to build the team and his drafts have been by and large miserable. When you're the youngest team in the league every year, something isn't right.
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Nov 2, 09 15:53
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He is 2 years away from 13-3, he has two young dynamic players in Rodgers/Jennings and a good young running back in Ryan Grant. They have a great, young linebacker group as well. That team is not far from being a super bowl caliber team. He has to shore the offensive line, it is atrocious! GB has some of the most talented perimeter players in the league. Jennings is a superstar and Driver is an ageless beast who seems quicker than he did 2 years ago. He's a freak!
McCarthy is an enigma, seems like the right guy, occasionally the eam looks unstoppable, but they are also horribly undisciplined.
peter826
Nov 2, 09 17:43
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Thompson is a great judge of wide receiver talent, I will give him that. I thought they were going somewhere with that 13-3 season, now, I think it's just a fluke.
It wasn't long ago that the Packers had one of the most dominating offensive lines in the league. Oh, for those days...
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Nov 2, 09 20:45
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What wr's are you watching? He get's Jennings who else?
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Nov 2, 09 21:46
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That is the guy who decided that the English language was a farce right? So, he of his own accord can decide that not only do we have silent letters...but we can read them in a dyslexic fashion. F A V R E = "Farve"....no, that is "Fav-Ray" or at best "Fav-Er"....no "Farve" in there...not in the English language by any rules anyways.
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Nov 3, 09 7:40
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Wow, jokes about Favre's last name, huh? You must be tired today.
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Nov 3, 09 7:59
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Wow, jokes about Favre's last name, huh? You must be tired today.
That is no joke, it is proper english - the fact is that I have never not once ever watched a football game, never want to, wont plan to and I find most football fans to be just sorta dopey. Especially the fat ones from north of the Cheddar Curtain.
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Nov 3, 09 8:25
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Wow, jokes about Favre's last name, huh? You must be tired today.
That is no joke, it is proper english - the fact is that I have never not once ever watched a football game, never want to, wont plan to and I find most football fans to be just sorta dopey. Especially the fat ones from north of the Cheddar Curtain.
I'm not fat.
This guy's fat.
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Nov 3, 09 8:32
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That is the guy who decided that the English language was a farce right? So, he of his own accord can decide that not only do we have silent letters...
Really? You can't be that stupid.
My last name is Maggi, it's Italian, pronounced with a soft "g" sound, like Joe DiMaggio (You probably won't find that in any English rule book either). Would you say his name was "Joe Di-Maggie-O"? Last names are typically pronounced as they would be in the language of their origin.
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Nov 3, 09 8:36
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Wow, jokes about Favre's last name, huh? You must be tired today.
That is no joke, it is proper english - the fact is that I have never not once ever watched a football game, never want to, wont plan to and I find most football fans to be just sorta dopey.
Especially the fat ones from north of the Cheddar Curtain.
Oh, the irony. Nothing quite like using an improperly punctuated, run-on sentence to instill confidence in your mastery of "proper english."
saltman
Nov 3, 09 11:27
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What wr's are you watching? He get's Jennings who else?
I already mentioned Donald Driver and if you discount him as a WR you know nothing about football. He is a freak athletically, tough as nails, shifty, strong as hell and can jump out of the stadium. The only thing he lacks is elite speed, but so do a lot of other pro bowl caliber recievers. James Jones and Jordy Nelson are both solid playmakers as well but have been slowed by injuries this year. If Rodgers had more time, this group is every bit as explosive and talented as New Orleans.
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Nov 3, 09 12:11
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What wr's are you watching? He get's Jennings who else?
I already mentioned Donald Driver and if you discount him as a WR you know nothing about football.
I know enough about football to know that Ted didn't get Driver. He was already in place. Ted is an idiot! He let Sharper go, that was smart. He passed at Randy Moss equally as smart, then he offered Brett 20 mill to STAY retired. WTF is that? If that isn't admitting a mistake I am not sure what is? What is the love fest with Rodgers all about? He needs to win a playoff game, get to a pro bowl do something worth talking about.
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Nov 3, 09 13:17
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The BIG question is will he retire at the end of the year? :)
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Nov 3, 09 13:22
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my bad, I misunderstood you. He did draft Jones and Nelson. We didn't need Moss we needed young o-linemen that they could develop. Instead he assumed Clifton and Tauscher could play forever.
What's the lovefest with Rodgers?
Dude he has only been a starter 1 year, not a lot of opportunity for playoffs yet. Did Peyton Manning win a playoff game in his first year as a starter? Have you watched him play and his skillset? Are you ignoring the 14 TDs vs. 2 INTs or the league leading 110.4 rating? All of which while being sacked 31 times, 8 more than his nearest competitor.
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Nov 3, 09 14:20
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Bears,Bengals,Rams, Vikings, Lions, Browns, Vikings
Soft schedule inflats stats. He can't beat the the good teams. He gets sacked cause he holds onto the ball too damn long. He is a good tier two QB in the NFL. There are only a few tier one Qb's. P Manning, Brady, Favre. Most of the guys are nowhere near as good as those 3. The Packers would likely be a better team with Brett. The Vikings for sure would be worse with T Jack
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Nov 3, 09 14:33
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my bad, I misunderstood you. He did draft Jones and Nelson. We didn't need Moss we needed young o-linemen that they could develop. Instead he assumed Clifton and Tauscher could play forever.
?? Thompson has drafted 10 lineman (2005- Junius Coston, Will Whiticker), 2006 (Colledge, Spitz, Moll), 2007 (Barbre), 2008 (Sitton, Giacomini), 2009 (Lang, Merideth) in five drafts.
They went into the year starting Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, and Barbre. 4/5 are Thompson picks. We've seen how well they've played.
saltman
Nov 3, 09 14:41
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Bears,Bengals,Rams, Vikings, Lions, Browns, Vikings
Soft schedule inflats stats. He can't beat the the good teams. He gets sacked cause he holds onto the ball too damn long. He is a good tier two QB in the NFL. There are only a few tier one Qb's. P Manning, Brady, Favre. Most of the guys are nowhere near as good as those 3. The Packers would likely be a better team with Brett. The Vikings for sure would be worse with T Jack
Favre over Brees or Rodgers? Sorry, no.
The myth of Favre is that he has been absolutely wretched in the playoffs since 1998. He is 3-6 and has thrown 18 interceptions and 2 lost fumbles in those 9 games. He also had 2 teams that were SB caliber teams in that span, 2003 and 2007.
Bottom line, even if Favre and Rodgers were equal in current ability (and they aren't). I take a 26 year old Rodgers over a 40 year old Favre all day, everyday.
Soft schedule inflats stats.
He put up good numbers last year also.
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Nov 3, 09 16:08
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Brees for sure over Rodgers.
Rodgers over Favre? Last time I checked record is what matter's not stats. You're kidding yourself if you think Rodgers is better. Even the dumbass GM of the Pack knows this, thus the offer of $20 mil to sit home.
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Nov 3, 09 18:42
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He is 2 years away from 13-3, he has two young dynamic players in Rodgers/Jennings and a good young running back in Ryan Grant. They have a great, young linebacker group as well. That team is not far from being a super bowl caliber team. He has to shore the offensive line, it is atrocious! GB has some of the most talented perimeter players in the league. Jennings is a superstar and Driver is an ageless beast who seems quicker than he did 2 years ago. He's a freak!
McCarthy is an enigma, seems like the right guy, occasionally the eam looks unstoppable, but they are also horribly undisciplined.
He may be 2 years off going 13-3, but he took over a team that hadn't posted a losing season in roughly a dozen years and after 4 years under him they have a losing record.
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if the NFL had a rule where defenses could not rush or disrupt the Quarterback - Rodgers would be one of my top 3 picks - but as it is he can't deal with pressure - the ball is bolted to his hand.
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Nov 4, 09 7:11
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Brees for sure over Rodgers.
Rodgers over Favre? Last time I checked record is what matter's not stats. You're kidding yourself if you think Rodgers is better. Even the dumbass GM of the Pack knows this, thus the offer of $20 mil to sit home.
Overall right now, I agree, Favre is the better QB. I'd say Aaron is the better athlete(duh, he's younger), and has an equally strong arm. But, Aaron just doesn't play the game as "fast" as BF does, can't read defenses as well and as quickly, and doesn't actually move in the pocket as well as Bert. BF's strength right now is his wiley veteran wisdom. Aaron will get there in time, and BF is 40 and won't play forever. Aaron could play well for another 10 years, if he survives this year behind that revolving-door O-line. The first couple years into BF's career in Green Bay, Packer fan wanted to run him out of town, for all the interceptions he threw.
The GM is definitely a dumbass. I was on his(the teams) side throughout the whole BF divorce, but I'm souring on him quickly this year. I just don't like his blueprint for building the team any longer. Look at Minnesota's blueprint, a balance between the draft and free agency, not a reliance on one or the other. The Vikes have some real difference-makers on their roster, and the Pack have very few. I don't want the Pack to becomen the Redskins, and throw $$ at ever name free agent available, but at least take a shot once in awhile.
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It remains to be seen if BF can handle a full NFL season. He has been early ripe early rotten for the last few years now. Of course he is getting all day to throw back there.
Rodgers has HOF potential. That's the only good decision Thompson has made. The teams curentt struggles have very little to do with Rodgers. That 3-4 defense is dreadful and cannot put pressure the opposing QB, they cannot get off the field. The playcalling is highly questionable as well, the love fest with the vertical passing game is confusing when you have a bad line.
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Nov 4, 09 7:48
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The GM is definitely a dumbass. I was on his(the teams) side throughout the whole BF divorce, but I'm souring on him quickly this year. I just don't like his blueprint for building the team any longer. Look at Minnesota's blueprint, a balance between the draft and free agency, not a reliance on one or the other. The Vikes have some real difference-makers on their roster, and the Pack have very few. I don't want the Pack to becomen the Redskins, and throw $$ at ever name free agent available, but at least take a shot once in awhile.
This is my problem with the GM as well. He refuses to go after free agent talent despite the team sitting on gobs of cash. The Charles Woodson signing was fantastic, and Ryan Pickett has been pretty good, too. Those are the only ones I can think of in 5 years. OTOH, a guy like Ron Wolf was constantly cycling veterans through with the attitude of if they could help, great, if not, cut them. The Super Bowl team had guys like Desmond Howard, Andre Rison, Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, all came in from other teams. The Packers have been "building through the draft" for 5 years now and are the youngest team each year. It's no surprise they have been playing sloppy, undisciplined.
Aikman made a comment during the game that perhaps Favre just didn't want to play for Packers anymore...that perhaps he was sick of Thompson not showing any interest in quality free agents, and realizing that if he had another shot, it would be with another team. The retirement, the trade, the indecision, all being part of that process.
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It remains to be seen if BF can handle a full NFL season. He has been early ripe early rotten for the last few years now. Of course he is getting all day to throw back there.
Rodgers has HOF potential. That's the only good decision Thompson has made. The teams curentt struggles have very little to do with Rodgers. That 3-4 defense is dreadful and cannot put pressure the opposing QB, they cannot get off the field.
The playcalling is highly questionable as well, the love fest with the vertical passing game is confusing when you have a bad line.
Yes! I don't understand it. Very frustrating. But, I agree, Rogers should be fine, he's not the problem.
I guess the defense is more a work in progress than we wanted to think. They put up great numbers in the pre-season. Yeah, I know, pre season. But, still our #1's vs. their #1's.
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