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big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 8:19

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What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) Can't Post

I hear ACORN is parachuting battalions of GOTV workers into Camden and Newark even as we speak ;-) Now, I'm not saying the Garden State is completely corrupt from a political standpoint, but I am saying that...well, that...okay, it IS completely politically corrupt. Will anything that happens with the Corzine-Christie set-to come as a surprise? I predict a close decision by less than a thousand votes and an unending series of court battles and recounts and lawsuits flying fast and furious by both sides.

This guy (JerseyNut) -- who runs a blog called "Right, Wing-Nut" (boy, if ever there was an appellation that fit, it's this one) -- refers to New Jersey as "Gotham City without Batman." He's pretty sure it's going to be a dishonest election, which shouldn't come as a surprise, considering his generally gloomy outlook on the election itself:

http://jerseynut.blogspot.com/...-without-batman.html

BigGovernment.com says it's a dead-cert that Corzine's allies (in Breitbart's world, ACORN, SEIU et al) and dirty tricks combined with absentee ballot fraud is going to carry the day:

http://biggovernment.com/...sentee-ballot-fraud/


And, of course, the folks over at Free Republic are having a field day with BigGovernment's observations:

Said it before and I’ll say it again.
Where is the FBI? Why is there not a RICO lawsuit against these groups? What a joke the legal system in the USA has become. Michael Corleone runs the country now.


The FBI? The organization which made Ruby Ridge, Waco and Filegate possible? The organization which was the principal brain trust for FEMA cadre?
I agree about the joke, but the joke is old now.



If this one is truly close, Corzine will win.
The collectivists will have all hands on deck to steal this particular election, as O-hole has put his reputation on the line for this.
Accordingly, they may lose elsewhere, as the rent-a-mob beast handlers cannot be two places at one time.


My guess - sure they will steal the election! Until both State and Federal law enforcement becomes involved, it will continue to happen. Now don’t you just expect Federal help in this election? - heh.
I have given up on elections these days - just hope that the difference between parties is so large as not to be a problem. We have become a banana republic as far as election fairness is concerned. Way past time to go back to the paper ballot with a trail...


Sigh. There are so many logical inconsistencies in the above comments I don't even know where to begin. These are the folks who DON'T want the government in their lives, yet want that same government to get involved when it comes ballotting? Oy.

At any rate, I think Jersey prohibits exit pollsters from being closer than 100 feet to a polling place, so exit polling might be a bit less reliable than it's proven to be in the past. I say it's even odds there'll be a big fight come tomorrow if the vote in either candidate's favor is within the "margin of fraud."

T.

(This post was edited by big kahuna on Nov 3, 09 8:50)


chainpin

Nov 3, 09 8:35

Post #2 of 28 (344 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

This is from the Gay Patriot:

In a Democratic state, running against a lackluster Republican opponent and with a war chest filled with twice as much lucre as both his opponents combined, with multiple visits by the charismatic President of the United States, Democrat incumbent Jon Corzine has resorted to playing dirty chests while corrupt organizations try to manufacture a few votes to help him retain his lease on Drumthwacket–and give Democrats something to crow about on Wednesday.
In order to divide the vote of those opposed to the unpopular Democrat, his fellow partisans have all but made independent candidate Chris Daggett into a stalking horse for the incumbent. They’re making robocalls to voters, trashing Chris Christie, the only candidate with a chance of unseating the Democrat, urging them to vote instead for Daggett.
And now, we’ve got “ACORN on the scene.

GOP officials recently received a phone tip from a hospital in Newark, reporting that people in ACORN t-shirts were in the facility signing up and collecting absentee ballots. New Jersey law allows anyone to take up to 10 absentee ballots at a time. The tipster reported seeing individuals in the ACORN shirts entering the hospital with blank absentee ballots and leaving with completed ballots.

There are reports out of Camden, New Jersey that voters are discovering that absentee ballots have already been submitted under their name. They did not authorize these ballots. Early reports suggested that the number of absentee ballots ‘requested’ in Camden city is higher than in any previous election. This will no doubt spark confusion on election day.

And not just a little bit higher:

Victor Negron, a campaign adviser for independent mayoral candidate Roberto Feliz, a former director of Camden’s public works department, says he’s shocked that more than fifteen times the normal number of voters are casting absentee ballots in Camden this year. In the 2005, when the city’s voters voted for both governor and mayor on the same day, only 200 absentee ballots were cast. This year, some 3,700 have already been received. At least four voters have approached the Feliz campaign to complain that an absentee ballot was sent to them without their permission or cast for them without their understanding the documents they were signing.

And when we see who else has been rounding up votes in the Garden State, we have a better understanding about why SEIU President Andy Stern was the most frequent visitor at the White House. His minions have been doing double-time in the Garden State:

Acorn’s longtime allies, the Service Employee International Union and New York’s Working Families Party, have both moved into New Jersey. Peter Colavito, Acorn’s former political director in New York and a board member of the Working Families Party, is now the political director of SEIU Local 32BJ, which is heavily involved in New Jersey’s election.

My sense is that the Democrats internal polling shows undecided voters breaking heavily for Christie and are using whatever means possible to find additional votes for Corine the Chicago Way. With these types of shenanigans going on ’round election time, one wonders why the MSM is taking so little interest.
Oh yeah, that’s right, when Democrats commit electoral fraud, it’s for a noble cause. Sorry, I forgot about that.

It’s clear the Obama White House very badly wants a victory in one of the three big races tomorrow. They’re not going to get Virginia, their odds of winning in New York seem to be diminishing with each passing day and Jersey seems their best shot. But, if news of underhanded tactics keeps dripping out during the day tomorrow and after the ballot are counted, that election is going to look pretty tarnished. And the era of hope and change will turn out to be one of the failed, er, corrupt machine politics of the past, you know the politics on which Obama waged rhetorical war in his campaign last fall.

*Some would call this stealing.

"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06



Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 8:47

Post #3 of 28 (332 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

I predict you are wrong on just about all counts. It will be over tonight.

And another way of looking at this race is that it's amazing in a state with seriously out-of-whack property taxes and an economy hard hit by the economic downturn, that a "reform-minded" former prosecutor with some star-quality convictions isn't beating the tar out of a former Goldman Sachs chairman and incumbent Governor with a former girlfriend problem.
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 8:49

Post #4 of 28 (326 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

30 million of one's personal fortune can buy a lot of influence -- and votes -- Ken. Remember what I said about a relative small slice of the population there paying all of the taxes (and you're probably one of them) on behalf of much of the population that isn't. What's the incentive for those not paying the taxes to upset the old (rotten) apple cart?

T.


vibrolux

Nov 3, 09 9:03

Post #5 of 28 (316 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

Just one reason on my list for escaping out of NJ as soon as the housing market recovers a little, and I can talk my wife into it. Still embarrased when asked where I live.


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 9:07

Post #6 of 28 (305 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [vibrolux] [In reply to] Can't Post

I love Jersey outside of the cities. Very beautiful countryside. There was a good article in the Los Angeles Times the other day about the loss in population by states with high taxes (which are supposedly going for the provision of high levels of service but which really aren't) and states with low taxes. It was mainly a comparison of California and Texas (which doesn't have a personal income tax), and the tax situation in NJ is somewhat similar. What's going on there should serve to give its residents pause:

"The Golden State Isn't Worth It"

http://www.latimes.com/...nov01,0,825554.story


T.

(This post was edited by big kahuna on Nov 3, 09 9:09)


jar1635

Nov 3, 09 9:08

Post #7 of 28 (300 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

If people were really concerned about Golman alums, then we wouldn't have them at every level of the federal government continuing to pull the levers of our economy. As for the former girlfriend problem? You have apparently forgotten that girlfriends are only a burden for Republicans.

On what counts is BK wrong?

It will be over tonight? In favor of Corzine? Yes, Corzine will win...but with help. If you don't believe that then your head is in the sand. Look what it took to get Franken into the Senate, then dems will do no less in this case.

A third way of looking at this race is that it's amazing that an incumbent governor who has the full support of his party and an enormously popular President stumping for him is struggling against an unknown former prosecutor.


(This post was edited by jar1635 on Nov 3, 09 9:09)


Rob C in FL

Nov 3, 09 9:36

Post #8 of 28 (278 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

"These are the folks who DON'T want the government in their lives, yet want that same government to get involved when it comes ballotting? Oy."

I have to say that I'm mystified by that comment, for two reasons.

First, what takes place in the voting booth is by its very nature a governmental process, and governments ought to be responsible for policing their own processes to combat fraud. No, I don't want the government to interfere in MY business, but I certainly do expect it to pay attention to ITS business.

Second, I would have thought that you yourself would have wanted the government to do whatever it could, within the bounds of the law, to combat fraud in this election. If you don't, that suggests that you may be looking forward to corruption in this process, even though on the surface your post is indignant about the possibility.

As I said, I'm mystified by your remark. Perhaps you can clarify.
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http://www.humanactioncourse.info
"Pas d'elle yeux Rhône que nous."


efernand

Nov 3, 09 9:43

Post #9 of 28 (269 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [vibrolux] [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote:
Just one reason on my list for escaping out of NJ as soon as the housing market recovers a little, and I can talk my wife into it. Still embarrased when asked where I live.

Lots of property for sale cheap here in the D. ;-)

http://www.mlive.com/...uction_flops_as.html

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big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 9:55

Post #10 of 28 (259 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Rob C in FL] [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to say that I'm mystified by that comment, for two reasons.

First, what takes place in the voting booth is by its very nature a governmental process, and governments ought to be responsible for policing their own processes to combat fraud. No, I don't want the government to interfere in MY business, but I certainly do expect it to pay attention to ITS business.

My comment was mainly directed at the Freepers who rant and rave all day about the government and its intrusiveness and then will go on about involving the government as soon as they think it convenient. I agree with your own characterization about the need for oversight of the election process. We're actually simpatico, mi amigo :-)

T.


dave_w

Nov 3, 09 9:59

Post #11 of 28 (253 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

 
"Stolen", I don't know, but I do think there will be significant fraud. The best thing that could come out of this election is for the truth finders to discern whether and how much fraud there is, and to have the fraudsters charged and convicted. It seems that fraud is actually increasing in our elections, where my sense was that it was in decline for many years...maybe it's just coverage, or that I am more attuned, but I think it has more to do with the organizations and access to greater funds and technology. I find it more than a little troubling.


Rob C in FL

Nov 3, 09 10:00

Post #12 of 28 (253 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

Okay, but it just doesn't seem to me that there's anything intrusive about having the government involved in itself. If I'm right, then with regard to this issue, at least, I don't see any inconsistency in their viewpoint.
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http://www.humanactioncourse.info
"Pas d'elle yeux Rhône que nous."


Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 10:05

Post #13 of 28 (246 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [dave_w] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
"Stolen", I don't know, but I do think there will be significant fraud. The best thing that could come out of this election is for the truth finders to discern whether and how much fraud there is, and to have the fraudsters charged and convicted. It seems that fraud is actually increasing in our elections, where my sense was that it was in decline for many years...maybe it's just coverage, or that I am more attuned, but I think it has more to do with the organizations and access to greater funds and technology. I find it more than a little troubling.

Can you point to some of this voter fraud that seems to be increasing? I mean real voter fraud, where people vote who should not be voting, not voter registration fraud.

As for Franken's victory, he followed the election rules set up by the State of Minnesota.
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 10:22

Post #14 of 28 (238 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [vibrolux] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
Just one reason on my list for escaping out of NJ as soon as the housing market recovers a little, and I can talk my wife into it. Still embarrased when asked where I live.
Take your sorry ass out of our state. Good riddance. We're embarrassed to have you here.
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 10:50

Post #15 of 28 (216 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Rob C in FL] [In reply to] Can't Post

Okay, but it just doesn't seem to me that there's anything intrusive about having the government involved in itself. If I'm right, then with regard to this issue, at least, I don't see any inconsistency in their viewpoint.

Trust me, Freepers are the same bunch doing all the screaming about fluoride in the water and the Big O. brainwashing their kids, then will demand immediate government action when it comes to something near and dear to their own hearts. You're giving a few of those guys a bit more credit than I do, having spent a lot of time over there lurking (as I do over at Democratic Underground and HuffPo, also).

T.


J Gers

Nov 3, 09 11:11

Post #16 of 28 (200 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
In Reply To:
Just one reason on my list for escaping out of NJ as soon as the housing market recovers a little, and I can talk my wife into it. Still embarrased when asked where I live.
Take your sorry ass out of our state. Good riddance. We're embarrassed to have you here.
Funny, that's what we say about you. Would be one less DEM at the voting booth.


Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 11:27

Post #17 of 28 (192 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [J Gers] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
In Reply To:
In Reply To:
Just one reason on my list for escaping out of NJ as soon as the housing market recovers a little, and I can talk my wife into it. Still embarrased when asked where I live.
Take your sorry ass out of our state. Good riddance. We're embarrassed to have you here.
Funny, that's what we say about you. Would be one less DEM at the voting booth.
I'll see you at the pool. Assuming you ever get your sorry ass there.
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 11:34

Post #18 of 28 (181 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

Looks like Corzine's using gangbangers in his GOTV effort, Ken:
**VIDEO** Terrified Voter says NJ Dems Using Gangbangers for GOTV

http://www.electionjournal.org/...angbangers-for-gotv/


T.


Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 11:42

Post #19 of 28 (173 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

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Looks like Corzine's using gangbangers in his GOTV effort, Ken:
**VIDEO** Terrified Voter says NJ Dems Using Gangbangers for GOTV

http://www.electionjournal.org/...angbangers-for-gotv/


T.

Oh, brother. Spare us. Do you find this stuff, or is it sent to you?

That "Terrified Voter" is a NJ Police Officer? You don't see a problem with this story?
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


vibrolux

Nov 3, 09 12:32

Post #20 of 28 (159 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow.


Sshoreli

Nov 3, 09 12:53

Post #21 of 28 (148 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

Being on Long Island I couldn't really care who is the Jersey Gov., however I get to see all of the commercials and as a non-partial outsider who in this case only sees what the TV tells me, I think the Corzine campaign has done a hell of a job painting Christie as a criminal. Virtually every ad was an attack on Christie's past, while Christie seems to be trying hard to come across as Joe Family Guy and making ridiculous promises (bringing jobs back, implying that somehow NJ would be immune to the recession if he were Gov, etc). I don't like Corzine's angle, but Christie is coming across as being full of crap....meaning Corzine wins.


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 13:13

Post #22 of 28 (132 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Med Tent Man] [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, brother. Spare us. Do you find this stuff, or is it sent to you?

That "Terrified Voter" is a NJ Police Officer? You don't see a problem with this story?

It's mainly sent to me by my legion of faithful followers, all of whom are clamoring for those pearls of wisdom I provide on a semi, sorta-regular basis :-)

I think it's quite possible this is going on. We're talking about Joisey, after all (heh, heh) And I oughta know about rough states. I live south of Dee-troit, in Michigan.


T.


big kahuna

Nov 3, 09 13:15

Post #23 of 28 (131 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [Sshoreli] [In reply to] Can't Post

Being on Long Island I couldn't really care who is the Jersey Gov., however I get to see all of the commercials and as a non-partial outsider who in this case only sees what the TV tells me, I think the Corzine campaign has done a hell of a job painting Christie as a criminal. Virtually every ad was an attack on Christie's past, while Christie seems to be trying hard to come across as Joe Family Guy and making ridiculous promises (bringing jobs back, implying that somehow NJ would be immune to the recession if he were Gov, etc). I don't like Corzine's angle, but Christie is coming across as being full of crap....meaning Corzine wins.

Quite possibly. Certainly Corzine's spent enough money to do so (he opted out of campaign financing). I especially liked his attacks on Christie based on his weight. Christie seems to be taking the high road, mostly, and I don't think that works in New Jersey.

T.


Med Tent Man

Nov 3, 09 13:27

Post #24 of 28 (126 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

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Quite possibly. Certainly Corzine's spent enough money to do so (he opted out of campaign financing). I especially liked his attacks on Christie based on his weight. Christie seems to be taking the high road, mostly, and I don't think that works in New Jersey.

Riiight.

Quote:

The Christie ad says: "Last year, millionaire Corzine paid nothing, zero, in state income taxes. That’s outrageous." The source for the claim, according to the ad, is an Oct. 15 article from the Star-Ledger of Newark. We didn’t find an article from the paper on that date dealing with this subject, but we did find one from Oct. 16.
According to that article, Corzine, who only makes $1 a year as governor and relies on his investment portfolio for income, "did not pay income tax last year after reporting a $3.13 million loss [on his federal income tax return]" due to the downturn in the markets. The paper said that Corzine’s state tax returns, which it requested from the campaign, showed that Corzine actually earned $55,504 in 2008 and owed $1,520 in state income taxes. (New Jersey has rules for calculating losses that are different from the federal government’s.)
But what the paper also reported, and the Christie ad leaves out, is that the amount Corzine owed was "billed against prior credit from 2007." The credit was a result of Corzine overpaying his state income taxes in 2007, according to his campaign. So is it true that Corzine "paid nothing, zero, in state income taxes"? Yes. But Corzine’s not a tax deadbeat. He simply suffered huge financial losses that meant he owed nothing to the feds, and had overpaid his state taxes previously – so a credit erased his New Jersey debt. We doubt that most viewers, if they knew the facts, would find the situation "outrageous."
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Ken Lehner

"We are on our last bag of Life" - the wife


chainpin

Nov 3, 09 13:34

Post #25 of 28 (119 views)
Re: What Are The Odds The 'Joisey Election Will Be Stolen? ;-) [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To:
Looks like Corzine's using gangbangers in his GOTV effort, Ken:
**VIDEO** Terrified Voter says NJ Dems Using Gangbangers for GOTV

http://www.electionjournal.org/...angbangers-for-gotv/


T.

I thought you were refering to the famous "Jersey Freaks."

Please someone post these pics.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/...sey_freakshows/1958/

"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06


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