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Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:07
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Mass grave unearthed in Iraq
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. forces have exhumed a mass grave in northwestern Iraq and uncovered the remains of hundreds of people.
Many of the bodies found at the site near al-Hatra are believed to be the bodies of Kurdish women and children thought slaughtered by the Saddam Hussein regime.......
http://www.cnn.com/...aq.graves/index.html
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So Hussein wasn't a threat?
YaHey
Oct 13, 04 12:11
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Actually we were better off with Saddam - I'm not saying the Iraqi people were but we certainly were. Also, Saddam is mortal, he wasn't going to last forever. Well, I take it back - look at how long we've let another thorn on our side live (Castro in Cuba).
What happens if the Iraqi justice system lets Saddam go free and he goes back to power? After all, he's not really a POW since we did not declare war.
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vitus979
Oct 13, 04 12:13
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So Hussein wasn't a threat?
Not to us.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:13
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I seriously doubt the Iraqi's are going to let him go. Even if he is, I give him 5 minutes max before his head is taken off.
Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:15
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Your opinion. GWB and Congress felt otherwise.
goobie
Oct 13, 04 12:18
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The article says the people in the graves were killed in 1987, maybe 1988. Remind us all about the climate of the relationship between Iraq and the USA at that time??
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vitus979
Oct 13, 04 12:21
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Your opinion.
Backed up by the latest and greatest evidence.
GWB and Congress felt otherwise.
And they were evidently mistaken, to put things charitably.
Not only that, but Hussein wasn't even a real threat to the Kurds in recent years. They were running their area fairly self-autonomously before the invasion.
Did you read the part in the Duelfer report about how the threat of chemical weapons proliferation has actually increased since the invasion? Seems the insurgency is pursuing chemical weapons vigorously. So far, they've met but little success. So far.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:24
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How does that justify the killing of women and children?
goobie
Oct 13, 04 12:29
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I know! Especially when the special envoy to Iraq when these things were happening was Donald Rumsfeld, and the US and the UK were giving Saddam money and arms to help in the war against Iran at the same time. It's appalling, isn't it? When will these people be brought to justice?
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Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:32
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Backed up by the latest and greatest evidence.
At the time, the evidence pointed elsewhere. We can't play monday morning quarterback on this one.
Not only that, but Hussein wasn't even a real threat to the Kurds in recent years.
So does that justify the 300,000 + people killed under Hussein? Or mass executions?
Brian.
Oct 13, 04 12:34
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Your opinion appears to be in the minority.
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Oct 13, 04 12:58
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He was a tyrant but the simple fact is you are desperately stretching for a reason to justify the war.
el fuser
Oct 13, 04 13:03
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>>>We can't play monday morning quarterback on this one.
We can and we MUST. Lest it happens again.
big kahuna
Oct 13, 04 13:19
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Lordy.....here we go again with this one :-)
big kahuna
Oct 13, 04 13:27
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I was out in the Gulf in '87 and '88. In '88, I was helping clear Iranians off of abandoned oil rig platforms that they'd occupy and then use as staging platforms to launch sea-based attacks (mostly in small boats and with RPG or .50 cal. machine gun fire) against oil freighters. Our standing orders were to blast any Iraqi naval forces that attempted to get within our exclusion zones. None tried, unfortunately.
In '87, I was near the area where the USS Stark got almost blown in half by an Exocet missile that was air launched by an Iraqi air force plane. They say it was an accident, but I don't think most people out there at the time thought so.
That was one time when all of us wanted to launch a damn missile right at good old Saddam's ass and send him to meet Allah. Geopolitics prevented us from attaining our most fervent wish, though :-(
goobie
Oct 13, 04 13:34
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Kind of confusing therefore that at the same he was being armed and aided by the US and the UK, isn't it?
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Oct 13, 04 13:47
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Some I Iraqi will kill him:) Which is what we should have done in GW1
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Oct 13, 04 13:58
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I agree. Like I said, the whole geopolitical thing at the time had some of us righteously pissed off.
I know we never liked him, never tolerated his forces anywhere near our task force, and that he caught the Stark with its pants down and unaware until it was too late. Shame on the ship's captain for letting that happen, by the way.
Really, our forces in the Gulf could've taken Iran and Iraq on at the same time out on the water, had we a mind to. Chasing Iranians around out there showed me that.
HMS Sheffield, a British man of war, got hit by the same class of missile earlier in the 80's, during the Falklands War. The Brits and the Yanks play off of the same damage control textbook, but the Sheffield had a majority aluminum structure, which is much more highly susceptible to fire damage than the mainly-steel hull and framing of the American navy's vessels. Sheffield was too badly damaged.
Politics in war. I try to treat it as business, but sometimes it becomes nigh-on impossible.
slowguy
Oct 13, 04 14:10
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"After all, he's not really a POW since we did not declare war.
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What makes you think this is true?
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vitus979
Oct 13, 04 14:13
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What makes you think this is true?
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he a POW, commodore? Has he been accorded the treatment due a POW? Will he be freed upon cessation of hostilities? Get real.
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slowguy
Oct 13, 04 14:17
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"Is he a POW, commodore? Has he been accorded the treatment due a POW? Will he be freed upon cessation of hostilities? Get real."
Yes, he was granted POW status. Get real Vitus. He was the military commander of a signatory to the Geneva Conventions during such time as 2 or more parties to the conventions (us and Iraq) were involved in hostilities. No declaration of war is required. His trial will be handled by the Iraqi courts. What didn't we do?
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vitus979
Oct 13, 04 14:20
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Yes, he was granted POW status.
Please provide documentation.
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slowguy
Oct 13, 04 14:24
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"Please provide documentation. "
Here's just a couple links talking about this in case you missed the news.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200401/10/eng20040110_132271.shtml
http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/jan/10iraq.htm
http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news/2004/01/16/NationWorld/Hussein.Gets.Pow.Status-582211.shtml
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vitus979
Oct 13, 04 14:26
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I stand corrected.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
big kahuna
Oct 13, 04 14:51
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So...what does everybody think the Iraqi courts are going to do to him? And how soon? They've got the death penalty over there, you know.
Big show trial? Thousands of witnesses? Take him out back and put a bullet through his head?
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