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JSA
Aug 8, 08 11:57
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This is one of the most insane stories I have ever seen. Small town in Maryland. Plain-clothes cops bust into Mayor's house and shoot and kill his two black labs. They seized a package that had been delivered to the Mayor's wife. The package had several pounds of drugs. The cops handcuff the mayor in his boxers and refuse to believe him when he identifies himself.
Here are the scariest facts:
1. The undercover cops are the ones who delivered the package of drugs to the mayor's wife.
2. The mayor's wife was an unsuspecting victim of a scam, infiltrated by the cops, to deliver drugs to the US by having them delivered to random people, then picking up the boxes as they sat on the front porch. The cops knew this b/c the cops are the ones who actually dropped off the boxes.
3. One of the dogs was actually shot and killed as it tried to run away.
I hope they fry...
http://www.baltimoresun.com/...0807,0,4563211.story
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Aug 8, 08 12:00
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I hope they fry...
Me too, but I have no faith in justice when it comes to cops getting their comeuppance.
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Aug 8, 08 12:15
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Your description of the incident is not entirely correct but I share your outrage. To make matters worse, the Sherrifs Dept. alleged they had a no knock warrant when they broke down the front door. They also allege that they showed by Mayor the warrant at the time of the search. Neither is true. Imagine the horror: The shock of the door being broken open followed by both of your dogs being shot in front of you and then being bound for two hours while your dead, bleeding dogs are laying next to you.
This incident is getting a lot of local coverage here in the DC area and people are flooding the Sherrifs department with calls and letters in protest. I'm glad CNN picked up on it.
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Aug 8, 08 12:32
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WOW!! thats ridiculous, i think that would send me over the edge if i sat there with any of my dogs hurt. I think they moment they uncuff me id go for the shooters throat.
But looking at it from the officers perspective (someone has to be the devils advocate):
I imagine the task force that performed this raid deals with unsavory drug dealers on a regular basis. lets stereotype a bit and assume that if they have a dog its most likely a pit bull or something else thats just as territorial and aggressive with a bit of encouragement. If thats what their used to i can see how instinctualy they would put down a dog thats coming at them after kicking in a door. Yes being labs they were running over to say hi and wag their tails. Just training kicking in. Handcuffing people and getting them down is pretty standard for dangerous suspects. As far as they knew they were dealing with drug dealers...
Not defending them or their actions, just think it needs to be looked at from both sides. Tragic to say the least.
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Aug 8, 08 12:33
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Ugh, that makes me sick.
Reading this, along with the two bears that have been shot locally here, I'm so tired about hearing animals being shot and killed. Makes me cry every time.
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Aug 8, 08 12:36
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Not defending them or their actions, just think it needs to be looked at from both sides. Tragic to say the least.
You're right, it should be looked at from both sides. However, unfortunately most (not all!) cops that do raids are much too trigger happy when it comes to animals. I'm tired of hearing about a dog coming toward an officer and it being shot and killed. With all the gear that these guys wear, being bitten by animal is not going to be the worst thing in the world. Especially with back-up there to aid. There are also use of force options like pepper spray or tasers that could be employed.
This is coming from someone in law enforcement, by the way.
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Aug 8, 08 12:39
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hey im not defending them....
agreed there are other options and training that would have helped. in this case i think if the officers took a Frisbee throwing class they could have had the dogs safely 50+ yards away from the house in seconds.
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Aug 8, 08 12:42
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hey im not defending them....
I know, was just saying :)
The injuring or killing of animals, for any reason, really gets my blood boiling (if you couldn't tell - hah)
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Aug 8, 08 12:57
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Your version of the facts isn't quite what I've seen. But no matter. I totally agree about the dogs. They are the true victims here.
I wouldn't cite the Baltimore Sun as a completely objective source.
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Aug 8, 08 13:20
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Got links to any other sources? The BaSu article is consistent with everything I've heard on the radio, read and have heard from people in that area.
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Aug 8, 08 13:25
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My sources are in the cop community, so maybe a bit biased (just towards the other side). No one is defending the shooting of the dogs, just the righteousness of the warrant. Hizzoner and Mrs Hizzoner might not be the innocent victims they are portraying themselves to be. But again, this side of the story comes from the poh-leez, so draw your own conclusions.
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Aug 8, 08 13:30
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So your sources think that the Calvo's (who are the Hizzoner's? sorry for the dumb question if I should know the name or term) were involved in the drug trafficing?
I also don't follow "righteousness of the warrant". Does that mean that the no knock warrant was legit? (not a baiting question, I really don't follow)
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Aug 8, 08 13:41
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Aug 8, 08 13:43
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So your sources think that the Calvo's (who are the Hizzoner's? sorry for the dumb question if I should know the name or term) were involved in the drug trafficing?
Yes. "Hizzoner" is a facetious term for the mayor.
I also don't follow "righteousness of the warrant". Does that mean that the no knock warrant was legit? (not a baiting question, I really don't follow)
Yes. Based on the facts I've heard, the warrant was legit, as in based on probable cause. No knock warrants are frequently used in drug raids to preserve evidence and avoid violence.
I really have no inside info other than chatter in the cop community.
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JSA
Aug 8, 08 14:03
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Your version of the facts isn't quite what I've seen. But no matter. I totally agree about the dogs. They are the true victims here.
I wouldn't cite the Baltimore Sun as a completely objective source.
I don't have any other source for the story and, when I first heard about it yesterday, I was a bit skeptical of the facts. However, I have not seen anything to the contrary, so, I have to go with what has been presented. That said, I am certain all the facts have not been presented yet.
What appears to be true, however, is:
1. They did not have a no-knock warrant.
2. They did not coordinate with local police.
3. They shot at least one of the dogs as he was retreating.
Those are pretty damning facts, regardless of whether the Mayor was completely innocent in the underlying drug trafficing matter. Looking at this as a former prosecutor, I would have the badges of every one of those officers, then would make my way up the chain of command. Not only is what they did reprehensible, but, their actions completely compromised the case (assuming there was one to begin with).
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Aug 8, 08 14:07
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If they wanted to avoid violence, maybe they should have picked him up as he strolled by their car.
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Aug 8, 08 14:33
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I like the police spokesman. "Sure some innocent people got abused but fuck you we're the cops, the 5th adminment flushed as usual in this country but fuck you we are the cops, personal property destroyed but fuck you we're the cops and the dogs where killed but fuck you we're the cops. It's all a part of our keeping drugs our of schools. Oh yeah, fuck you we're the cops."
Not his exact words but pretty much what every cop feels.
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I like the police spokesman. "Sure some innocent people got abused but fuck you we're the cops, the 5th adminment flushed as usual in this country but fuck you we are the cops, personal property destroyed but fuck you we're the cops and the dogs where killed but fuck you we're the cops. It's all a part of our keeping drugs our of schools. Oh yeah, fuck you we're the cops."
Not his exact words but
pretty much what every cop feels.
You said but fuck... a lot! :P
I disagree.
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Aug 8, 08 14:49
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I'm having some trouble with this. If the idea was to deliver them to random people and then "steal" it off the front porch, why did the cops deliver it to her and then bust in. I could understand it if they hid in the bushes and grabbed whoever came up to take it, but why deliver it to somebody if the somebody was a "random " person? I'm not suggesting the Mayor or spouse were involved in qnything, I am just trying to understand. the theory here.
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My problem is that apparently, the police new that the Fedex driver making the deliveries was in on the plot. Yet, it was the police who were driving the delivery truck and making the delivery. So, just exactly what did they expect to accomlpish? I would think the suspected Fedex guy would tip off his accomplices when the deliveries had been made. Clearly, he wasn't in the picture.
The whole situation really stinks. I'll wait for all the to be collected to make a final decision, but right now, I think the cops and supervisors involved are in a very deep hole and I am definitely not inclined to let them out.
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Aug 8, 08 15:47
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There is so much weird about this case. My understanding is that the dope was sent to Mrs Mayor, at her home. And, the police discovered it via a dope sniff dog while it was in transit (irony there, considering). A sting/raid was then setup to intercept and arrest.
I'm no SWAT thug, but I've been in on a few no knock warrants. They are done to avoid violence thru the use of overwhelming and unexpected force. Also, to preserve evidence/contraband that would be destroyed. I bet the thought process here (assuming there was forethought put into the decision) was more along the lines of evidence preservation. If the PD went thru a normal warrant process, the possibility exists the mayor, who one would assume is politically connected, could/would destroy the evidence prior to warrant service.
The random delivery/identity theft angle doesn't make sense to me.
I'm curious to see how this shakes out.
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the police discovered it via a dope sniff dog while it was in transit (irony there, considering). A sting/raid was then setup to intercept and arrest.
And what about the part of the story where the police were aware that the dope was being sent to addresses of uninvolved, unknowing persons? I'm asking. Your version of the story sounds like the police intercepted a package addressed to Mrs. Mayor, were therefore under the impression that Mrs. Mayor was the intended and knowing recipient, and proceeded accordingly. Is that right?
no knock warrants. They are done to avoid violence thru the use of overwhelming and unexpected force. Also, to preserve evidence/contraband that would be destroyed.
Says the textbook. Are you saying that they are never used inappropriately, or that some agencies use them too often and in cases when they aren't necessary?
If the PD went thru a normal warrant process, the possibility exists the mayor, who one would assume is politically connected, could/would destroy the evidence prior to warrant service.
That might be a little more convincing if the police had not already had the evidence safely in their possession, and if they weren't the ones who delivered it to the house.
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the police discovered it via a dope sniff dog while it was in transit (irony there, considering). A sting/raid was then setup to intercept and arrest.
And what about the part of the story where the police were aware that the dope was being sent to addresses of uninvolved, unknowing persons? I'm asking. Your version of the story sounds like the police intercepted a package addressed to Mrs. Mayor, were therefore under the impression that Mrs. Mayor was the intended and knowing recipient, and proceeded accordingly. Is that right?
I haven't followed this story closely. But, yeah, pretty much. No clue if this is accurate.
no knock warrants. They are done to avoid violence thru the use of overwhelming and unexpected force. Also, to preserve evidence/contraband that would be destroyed.
Says the textbook. Are you saying that they are never used inappropriately, or that some agencies use them too often and in cases when they aren't necessary?
Well, no. I'm only saying these are the reasons they are legitimately used. Me personally, I'm not a huge fan of no knock warrants. When they go wrong, things can go very very wrong. Luckily, I've never been on one that went wrong.
If the PD went thru a normal warrant process, the possibility exists the mayor, who one would assume is politically connected, could/would destroy the evidence prior to warrant service.
That might be a little more convincing if the police had not already had the evidence safely in their possession, and if they weren't the ones who delivered it to the house.
Agreed. Again, I've no dog in this hunt. Just trying to see it from the other side. As you know, I tend to give cops the benefit of the doubt (but, when the cops are proven wrong ... you get what you give.)
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Aug 8, 08 16:07
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That's fair enough. Personally, I think the use of no-knock warrants and SWAT teams has gotten ridiculously out of hand.
I'm not sure if everything about the newspaper story sounds entirely accurate, either, but I will say that enough of it sounds accurate enough to make the cops here look very, very bad. Why, for instance, didn't they notify the local police chief? It's fishy, and I'm being kind.
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Just went and did a little research in the police world on this raid. I've changed my mind. This raid stunk bad. Poorly handled, terrible tactics. Cluster fukc all around. Police work at its worst, most incompetent. I couldn't find anything to suggest corruption on the part of the raid team, just incompetence.
I did find some info as to why the local PD was not notified. Apparently, there is bad blood between the locals and the county SO. Also, there is suspicion that the local PD would have tipped of the mayor.
But ... I also found a few hints that the raid team might not have know that this was, in fact, The Mayor. Which would be incompetence at its most deflating.
I'm still curious about the dope delivery aspect of this case. Was it really random? ID theft? The smugglers were sending huge packages of dope (30+ lbs) to random people ... this still doesn't make sense to me.
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