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Matt B

Aug 8, 08 11:00

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How many of you feel like you will be able to retire in the style you'd like? How important is Social Security to your plans?

ING Direct has been running ads about "your number", meaning the amount of cash you'll need to retire the way you want. Do you know what your number is?

I'm not asking for your specifics...but I'm curious about people's expectations and how they arrived at them.


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last tri in 83

Aug 8, 08 11:30

Post #2 of 38 (480 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

We have always planned to receive nothing from SSI so being self employed, it is all about our investments. It is kind of discouraging that you need something in the order of $1 mil in an income fund to get a $5-6,000/month income. Either that or 2-4 paid off income properties. I should be free and clear of all debts in about 6 years so that will help a lot.

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TwinDad

Aug 8, 08 11:34

Post #3 of 38 (477 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm counting on exactly zero from SSI. Anything they send me will be "bonus."

I think we'll be OK. Certainly not rich. If medical expenses don't kill us, we should be able to avoid having to mooch off the kids.

And we'll be OK largely due to the work we'll put in over the next 20 years or so to bank it up. Sure wish I hadn't been such an idiot in my twenties, financially speaking.

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TTBooooda

Aug 8, 08 11:43

Post #4 of 38 (466 views)
Re: Retirement [TwinDad] [In reply to] Can't Post

Sure wish I hadn't been such an idiot in my twenties, financially speaking.

Isn't that what your twenties are for? If you're going to be a financial idiot, 20 something isn't all that bad.

Financial stupidity in your 40's or 50's can be devistating, at 20, you've got plenty of time to dig out of that hole.


TTBooooda

Aug 8, 08 11:47

Post #5 of 38 (459 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

i'm 32. I've got a 401k and an IRA, my wife has an IRA. I forgot if they're roth or not. When i can get more i will. I'm under a few assumptions, SS won't be there, and my 401k may or may not be dropping the duece.

Right now telcom is up. But this is a tough biz, so investments outside the 401k are necessary. I'd like to get some more land, a lot, but right now, times are tough. I've also thought about rental houses, and now would be a great time to get one or two, but money is tight.


cerveloguy

Aug 8, 08 11:54

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Re: Retirement [TTBooooda] [In reply to] Can't Post

I was a financial idiot in the 1980's thinking the good times would never end. The recession in the early 90's was a reality check. My divorce at that time sure didn't help either.

I think I'll be OK for retirement but will probably semi-retire for quite awhile before actully being able to fully retire. My wife will have a decent pension fortunately.

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m00se

Aug 8, 08 11:58

Post #7 of 38 (443 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

Not counting on SSI.

Best advice I got when I was 24/25-ish from a co-worker was to start investing. At 24/25...I was so NOT thinking about retirement...but I decided to start contributing 15% to my 401k (which wasn't much since I wasn't making much)....and just put it in a 500 index fund...it's been HUGELY helpful. Since then I've added more funds...and additional "retirement vehicles"...but it was absolutely the BEST way to get started.

Now that is the same advice I give to anyone who asks me (I work at a University where we have students and freshly graduated students working with us).
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majorminor

Aug 8, 08 12:14

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TwinDad

Aug 8, 08 12:20

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Re: Retirement [TTBooooda] [In reply to] Can't Post

True, but still... I was making pretty good money at least part of the year Co-Op'ing in college, and had I been even a little smarter with my money I could have socked away a TON without impacting my lifestyle very much.

Not really killing myself with regret... hoping I can teach the kids not to make the same mistake.

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TTBooooda

Aug 8, 08 12:22

Post #10 of 38 (423 views)
Re: Retirement [majorminor] [In reply to] Can't Post

Rule of 72?


last tri in 83

Aug 8, 08 12:31

Post #11 of 38 (414 views)
Re: Retirement [TTBooooda] [In reply to] Can't Post

the amount of time it takes an investment to double, i.e. the power of compound interest.

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erichollins

Aug 8, 08 12:36

Post #12 of 38 (409 views)
Re: Retirement [m00se] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm also not counting on SSI.

I started saving for my retirement when I was 23 or 24. It wasn't much but I started. I got a lot of school debt that I'm working on, but I'm contributing 9% of my pay into a 401k (that is counting the company match) and then I'm close to maxing out my Roth IRA this year. However, this is the 1st year in 4 years where I'm contributing towards it.
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Katy

Aug 8, 08 12:41

Post #13 of 38 (402 views)
Re: Retirement [erichollins] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm going to have to work until I'm 160. But it will be smooth sailing after that. Unless, of course, the trophy wife thing works out.
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erichollins

Aug 8, 08 12:43

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Re: Retirement [Katy] [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't afford a trophy wife, but I can afford a blue ribbon wife. Wanna be my blue ribbon wife? ;-)
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Tridiot

Aug 8, 08 12:46

Post #15 of 38 (395 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

Not counting on SSI.

Max out my ROTH and 401k each year, same for my wife.

Started a ROTH when I was 18 (pre-bust, circa 1998).

All funds are diversified, and increasingly looking for non-stock investments (feeling like REITs are a decent bet soon).


I'm not clear on any expectations for retirement. We hope to have some kids, and will work some sort of an arrangement with them for college (my deal was I didn't have to pay tuition as long as I was an athlete or had a job; room and board were on me no matter what); where life will put us with regard to expectations in 30-40+ years I don't know.


Now, I'd LOVE to have a second career in about 15 years, but I'm not sure that will happen. Second career would mean I did great at the current gig, and was able to step back and do something that pays ok, but is more about what I'd love to do (which is very similar to what I do now).


Katy

Aug 8, 08 12:51

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Re: Retirement [erichollins] [In reply to] Can't Post

I suppose that's better than an "honorable mention" wife.
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Matt B

Aug 8, 08 12:52

Post #17 of 38 (377 views)
Re: Retirement [Katy] [In reply to] Can't Post

"Honorable mention" is still better than "Participant" wife.


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Dapper Dan

Aug 8, 08 12:53

Post #18 of 38 (374 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd like to have an income comparable to about $100K/yr in today's dollars (which is less than my current income level). To me, that is enough money to enjoy travel and hobbies and pay for kids if necessary, anticipating fewer expenses than I have today. I'm 39, and I'd say 55 would be a nice retirement age, at least from my profession.

So, figuring my current 401K balance (which I have been contributing to since I was 22 years old), the maximum 401K contributions allowed, an anticipated 3% rate of inflation, an anticipated 8% appreciation in my investments, and the amount my employer contributes to retirement, I figure I need to put an addition $25,000 per year into retirement savings, adjusted up annually with inflation, after max'ing out 401K at $15,500 currently.

On the other hand, probably less than 5% of people my age have this level of retirement planning, so most likely by the time I retire, social security will collapse, followed quickly by the economy and society. Tax rate will be 99% for anybody who has any money. So, I am reserving $2000/year for guns, ammunition, and survival equipment. Death may be an easier option, however.


Katy

Aug 8, 08 12:57

Post #19 of 38 (370 views)
Re: Retirement [Matt B] [In reply to] Can't Post

And "participant" is better than DNS or DNF.
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Matt B

Aug 8, 08 12:59

Post #20 of 38 (367 views)
Re: Retirement [Dapper Dan] [In reply to] Can't Post

You're right. You have given this more thought than most people.


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last tri in 83

Aug 8, 08 13:14

Post #21 of 38 (358 views)
Re: Retirement [Dapper Dan] [In reply to] Can't Post

I like the way you think.

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Casey

Aug 8, 08 13:26

Post #22 of 38 (346 views)
Re: Retirement [Dapper Dan] [In reply to] Can't Post

Not directed at you but I think people spend too much time planning for retirement and saving money because the banks and insurance companies keep telling us that SS will be bankrupt (they have said that for years) and that you NEED so much to live. If you can pay off your home, you really don't NEED as much as you think.

Also, I see too many people deferring things "until I retire" and forget that their health and physical ability to do things will be greatly diminished.

I was caught in the trap of trying to save for the future but quit my job and travelled via bike to India and have never once regretted it. I have no idea what the future holds but also know if we had waited another 20 years until retirement, there is no way we could have done the trip. Those future regrets would not have been eased by a larger bank account.
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chainpin

Aug 8, 08 14:33

Post #23 of 38 (335 views)
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In Reply To
I'd like to have an income comparable to about $100K/yr in today's dollars (which is less than my current income level). To me, that is enough money to enjoy travel and hobbies and pay for kids if necessary, anticipating fewer expenses than I have today. I'm 39, and I'd say 55 would be a nice retirement age, at least from my profession.

So, figuring my current 401K balance (which I have been contributing to since I was 22 years old), the maximum 401K contributions allowed, an anticipated 3% rate of inflation, an anticipated 8% appreciation in my investments, and the amount my employer contributes to retirement, I figure I need to put an addition $25,000 per year into retirement savings, adjusted up annually with inflation, after max'ing out 401K at $15,500 currently.

On the other hand, probably less than 5% of people my age have this level of retirement planning, so most likely by the time I retire, social security will collapse, followed quickly by the economy and society. Tax rate will be 99% for anybody who has any money. So, I am reserving $2000/year for guns, ammunition, and survival equipment. Death may be an easier option, however.

 
I think your inflation estimate is too low. I'm using a 6%-8% long term estimate for my retirement planning, which is more in line with what I have experienced for my "real life" purchases.

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erichollins

Aug 8, 08 14:35

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Re: Retirement [Katy] [In reply to] Can't Post

My entire romantic life is one DNS wife after another DNS wife.
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erichollins

Aug 8, 08 14:39

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Re: Retirement [Casey] [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with your thoughts. Because of that and a few other things going on in my life and will be going on in my life, I'm really trying to simplify my life. I'm really looking at things that I spend my money and I'm trying to eliminate them if they really don't add much. Yes, I have a few toys, but I'm choosing to splurge when I can. I don't want to feel like I'm tied to a 6 figure job because I have a huge mortgage and I feel that I must have a BMW in the driveway to keep up with everyone. I like somewhat frugally already but I'm really, really trying to get to the essentials without many extras. I want to be able to live comfortable on way less than I'm making now so I'm trying to get there.
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