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CaptainCanada
Aug 14, 08 21:19
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NEW YORK (Billboard) - Singer-songwriter Jackson Browne is suing Republican presidential nominee John McCain and the Republican party for using his song "Running on Empty" in a recent TV commercial.
In the suit, filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Browne claims McCain and the party did not obtain permission to use the song for an ad in which "Senator McCain and the Republicans mock Democratic candidate for president Barack Obama for suggesting that the country conserve gas through proper tire inflation."
Browne, a lifelong Democrat, is seeking unspecified damages as well as a permanent injunction prohibiting the use of "Running on Empty" in any form by the McCain campaign.
"Not only have Senator McCain and his agents plainly infringed Mr. Browne's copyright in 'Running on Empty,' but the federal courts have long held that the unauthorized use of a famous singer's voice in a commercial constitutes a false endorsement and a violation of the singer's right of publicity," Lawrence Iser, Browne lawyer, said.
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sorelian
Aug 15, 08 3:55
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This one never fails to amaze me...Pubs should know by now, if it ain't a country song, the artist doesn't want you using it. ;)
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cholla
Aug 15, 08 4:38
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Yeah, there must be a Ted Nugent song that McCain can use!
sorelian
Aug 15, 08 5:24
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NOT SO FAST!!!
This from cat scratch fever himself...
Even the reliably Republican Ted Nugent is no fan. "McCain is catering to a growing segment of soulless Americans who could care less what they can do for their country, but whine louder and louder about what their country must do for them," the Motor City Madmen recently said. "That is both un-American and pathetic."
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David in FL
Aug 15, 08 6:04
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Even the reliably Republican Ted Nugent is no fan. "McCain is catering to a growing segment of
soulless Americans who could care less what they can do for their country, but whine louder and louder about what their country must do for them
," the Motor City Madmen recently said. "That is both un-American and pathetic."
Yep, they're called democrats. Most conservatives would tend to agree that McCain panders to the dems way too much.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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sorelian
Aug 15, 08 6:12
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Of course most "conservatives" don't even remember what that word used to mean.
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David in FL
Aug 15, 08 6:24
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Of course most "conservatives" don't even remember what that word used to mean.
Debatable. Regardless though, a point that has nothing to do with the thread whatsoever. Focus......... ;-)
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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drake
Aug 15, 08 6:36
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Poor, poor Jackson Brown. Held up as an example of trampling on peoples rights. Wonder how the women he beat up feel about his new poster boy image.
Give me a break. You might want to choose a better hero to feel sorry for.
sorelian
Aug 15, 08 6:53
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"Posterboy"...hyperbole much?
So because he beat on Darryl Hannah...his music can be stolen, that is something I believe the RIAA would be against. They don't care much for stealing music I hear.
I recognize this as just an attempt to push the direction of the thread away from the illegal use of copyrighted material by the Republican camp...but as David in FL reminds...stay focused.
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Aug 15, 08 6:59
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Actually it isn't that at all. It is sheer disgust at Jackson Browne.
I know the Democratic Party believes in moral equivalency but there are a lot of us out there who don't so maybe YOU should stay focused on what is important!
jryan
Aug 15, 08 7:00
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Who says he beat her? I thought the whole thing was fiction by Hannah which she later admitted.
sorelian
Aug 15, 08 7:03
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Not sure what is the truth...just knew what the insinuation was.
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ajfranke
Aug 15, 08 7:04
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Being from Canada, I figured you must be talking about the Human Rights Commissions.
In America, music is typically put up for license by anyone with the payment of an upfront designated royalty. I don't know if that is the case here, but it is the case nearly always. If the musician didn't want it used by others, he simply has to say no to the money.
Is that not the case in this situation?
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Aug 15, 08 7:05
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I had not heard about this. I am inclined to think it is fiction because Darryl Hannah would kick the little pussy's ass. Especially if she wore the eye-patch.
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Aug 15, 08 7:08
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So can Jackson Browne have the RIAA sue McCain for "making available" to the entire U.S.? Hmm, the Copyright Laws allows damages of $750 - $150,000 (!) per song, so 300 million people x $700 = $2.1 billion. That ought to put a dent in McCain's campaign finances.
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Aug 15, 08 7:09
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I know the Democratic Party believes in moral equivalency but there are a lot of us out there who don't so maybe YOU should stay focused on what is important!
Did you really just scold sorelian for discussing a copyright infringement case because the subject has committed a more serious offense?
Feel free to start your own thread about domestic abuse, if you'd like; we'll be happy to discuss it. This one's about illegal copyright infringement.
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drake
Aug 15, 08 7:13
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Yep, I did.
No need to start a new thread. I am happy playing right here. :>) !
sorelian
Aug 15, 08 7:20
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Thank-god that I am not a democrat then...
(Able to discern between copyright and domestic abuse)...it is pretty simple really.
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Aug 15, 08 7:22
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No one has established copyright abuse yet. Is there some allegation that standard royalties weren't paid or didn't apply?
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sorelian
Aug 15, 08 7:25
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I guess that is what the lawsuit is going to decide...right?
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ajfranke
Aug 15, 08 7:29
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Before people jump to conclusions one way or the other, it is helpful to have a few facts first. I am just asking some very simple questions, which apparently none of the conclusion jumpers here can answer or even be able to admit they can't answer.
There really are facts out there in the real world. No lawsuit typically needed.
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sorelian
Aug 15, 08 7:32
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There really are facts out there in the real world. No lawsuit typically needed.
And yet at least Jackson Brown's attorneys feel that this isn't typical...hence the lawsuit.
Not a lawyer myself but some things do stick out.
1) Jackson Brown apparently owns the song.
2) He apparently did not authorize its use
3) Its use it has been concluded by his side amounted to an "endorsement" which was never given.
4) ????
5) Lawsuit.
That really isn't jumping to conclusions so much as reading the article from the OP.
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Aug 15, 08 7:33
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Gotcha. New rules, then: No discussion of issues pertaining to a subject beyond the most serious among them.
No talk of the age of China's gymnasts, only their human rights record. No talk of professional cycling unless it's focused on the doping problem, and no talk of triathlon unless the topic is athletes drowning during the swim. No talk of John McCain unless it's with regard to skin cancer, or...
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ajfranke
Aug 15, 08 7:38
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The original post is strangely silent on the simple question of whether Jackson Brown put his song out for public play royalties or not. As I understand it, this is a simple question. If a bar plays his music, he typically gets a standard royalty. Same for every other artist.
Now the Stones in particular have never played that game. When Gates wanted to use "Start it Up" in his windows introduction, he had to negotiate a deal. The Stones didn't want him to use, so they quoted a ridiculous price, $8,000,000 or something, knowing that no one could pay that. Gates, not being no one, paid it.
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drake
Aug 15, 08 7:51
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Geez you Obama guys really need to lighten up. It is Friday. Just having a little poke at you. You must have missed the smiley face.
Also, I am sorry. Being female means that I don't feel to sorry for anyone in domestic abuse cases. Given how the threads in the Lavendar room usually run there is no rule about not bringing that up. I don't feel bad for Jackson Browne one iota. Plus this gives a has been singer a public forum to bring himself back into the public conscience. No surprise there.
Besides I am writing footnotes on Preferred Stock. It is a hell of a lot more fun to piss all you guys off. Keeps the boredom down to a dull roar.
Carry on telling me what a jerk I am. I am tough. I can deal. Seriously. :>) (Note smiley face!)
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