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Monk
Jul 29, 08 18:32
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Obamaniacs-When will you wake up?
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If this doesn't wake you up, God help you.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/...x?id=302137342405551
Very disturbing, I would hope.
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Jul 29, 08 18:57
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I'm sure the article is mucho hyperbole - but even so, now I like this Obama guy even more. So far the only thing we've been able to count on re our government, is that there's always going to be plenty of money available to blow things up and kill people. This would be quite a different role.
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Jul 29, 08 19:15
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So you think that the US should not only stop being will to swing our big stick...but not even have a stick. That is just un-American; seriously. We do Roosevelt proud. I like most other Americans am more than happy to pay for a very strong military and leaders willing to use our collective might when needed.
Last president with the "lets be nice" mentality was Carter - what a failure he was. Even Iran knew that his last day would be a good day to let our citizens go. There was a reason they knew that was a good idea.
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Jul 29, 08 19:21
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That's the first time I've seen an article take a look at the arc of his life and point out the things that probably do inform us as to who Barack is. I've mentioned several of those things here before, including the Alinsky tie, (interestingly, the man whose work Hillary did her thesis on). I had not run across the stuff written by his dad, most of that info was pretty easy to find discretely, but it's cool to see it in one place. As socialist as I believe Barack to be, he has shown himself to ultimately be a politician, and willing to alter at least the rhetoric to gain office. I do believe he will push as far to the left as congress allows. Should be fun to watch.
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Jul 29, 08 19:34
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Very disturbing, I would hope.
No way! Someone is claiming that the Democrat on the ticket is the "most liberal member" with a "radical" Socialist agenda and will complete the transformation to the dark side in his first term. This article is shocking and not exaggerated at all. Even the part where he is using a secret code to communicate it. Haha.
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Monk
Jul 29, 08 20:22
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To JT and Lorenzo--as long as you understand it and accept it, that's cool. I repsect that as a difference of opinion. Denial bugs me. Claiming its something else bugs me. Hidden agendas bug me.
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Jul 29, 08 20:31
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I agree. Why can't BHO be straight up and say "yeah, I'm a freakin liberal and there is a lot of socialism I like and yeah I'm going to wreak some economic justice on you rich guys making over $75K." Its always got to be the sneaky shit.
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jtaylor1O24
Jul 29, 08 20:52
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Yes I accept that the article is exaggerated and unrealistic, you might say one man's opinion. However, I can't acknowledge or deny that Obama communicates his hidden agenda via a secret socialist code.
I support Obama in part because he strikes me as highly intelligent and is not just more of the McSame. However, I don't agree with him 100% by any means. What bugs me is how tired McCain looks all the time. Doesn't he look tired? If the big government Neocons would have had the balls to put someone like Paul in there I would have seriously considered voting in that direction. However, corporate welfare bugs me. War mongering bugs me. A lack of respect for the environment bugs me, even more than feeding the poor and providing free education to our citizens.
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Monk
Jul 29, 08 21:03
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However, corporate welfare bugs me. War mongering bugs me. A lack of respect for the environment bugs me, even more than feeding the poor and providing free education to our citizens.
I agree with a lot of that, except feeding the poor and free education. I believe that (1) people don't appreciate things that they don't work for, (2) maybe I'm a prick, but I raised a family, pay my bills and I really don't want anyone else on my back except those who can't help themselves.
Why should I feed "the poor"? That just encourages more poor.
Willrace4food
Jul 29, 08 22:21
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HOLY F@CK!!
I think I'd rather live in Costa Rica for awhile if this dude gets elected.
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Maui
Jul 29, 08 22:51
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I think I'd rather live in Costa Rica for awhile if this dude gets elected.
You mean, you'd rather live in a pretty stable Country with 96% of Literacy rate thanks to
Universal public education that is guaranteed in the Constitution where both preschool and high school are free? I thought that was evil socialism and
unamerican
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Alvin Tostig
Jul 29, 08 23:06
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Why should I feed "the poor"? That just encourages more poor.
Well, I suppose if all of "the poor" could be starved to death, that would be one way to eliminate poverty???? BTW, I can't say I'd ever stumbled onto the "Investor's Business Daily" page before. I guess you can find an audience for anything. However, even reading this makes me think Senator Obama has some good ideas. Among other ideas, job training, free preschool, and an increase in the earned income tax credit (cutting taxes!) all make sense.
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Jul 29, 08 23:14
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I think I'd rather live in Costa Rica for awhile if this dude gets elected.
You mean, you'd rather live in a pretty stable Country with 96% of Literacy rate thanks to
Universal public education that is guaranteed in the Constitution where both preschool and high school are free? I thought that was evil socialism and
unamerican
Where did I say I give a rat's ass about the country I'd be escaping too? Leave it to ST for somebody to take every post and go off on a tangent.
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Jul 30, 08 0:13
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We have taken our money and run.
Moved to Paris 2 weeks ago(my wife's company moved us here) but we have left a miniscule amount of $'s in the bank to cover miscellaneous bills. All investments have been moved out of the US where they are untouchable by the US government.
http://thechartersabroad.blogspot.com/
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Jul 30, 08 1:07
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Hmm, yes, looks like the policies of most western liberal democracies, that enjoy better health outcomes, lower prison populations, lower homicide rates, better food, higher voter turn-out rates, lower BMI, are happier and don't use(waste) as much of the world's resources as the USA.
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Jul 30, 08 3:54
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Socialism(Marxism)
now them are fightin words!
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Jul 30, 08 4:38
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Looks like the article could have been written by Ann Coulter. Here's a snipit from the beginning:
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Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're launching this special educational series.
"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
Very Coulter style indeed. "He didn't clarify what he meant, but any unbiased rational minded person like myself could tell exactly what he meant. Socialism!!!"
Yeah, I'm awake. But I still only have two choices, and its between one who OBVIOUSLY wants to turn us into China and one who OBVIOUSLY wants to maintain a 100 year war in Iraq and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. Man, what a tough choice.
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Monk
Jul 30, 08 4:55
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You mean, you'd rather live in a pretty stable Country with 96% of Literacy rate thanks to Universal public education that is guaranteed in the Constitution where both preschool and high school are free? I thought that was evil socialism and
unamerican
...and legalized prostitution. And if you have ever been there, I doubt you would envy the standard of living.
And last time I checked, high school was "free" in the US. Actually it isn't "free" but we'll let that go.
As far as "pre-schooling" goes, I could really care less. My parents and siblings taught me the age appropriate 3R's before kindergarten. Free preschool is really just free childcare for people who shouldn't have had children they couldn't afford to provide for.
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Jul 30, 08 5:03
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Well, I suppose if all of "the poor" could be starved to death, that would be one way to eliminate poverty????
Good point. Maybe these folks have master plan to fuck their way outof poverty--have lots of kids and maybe one of them will win the lotto. OTOH, as long as you are giving them free stuff, they will vote the way you tell them to.
Its hard to complain about pigeon shit on your sidewalk, if you keep feeding the pigeons.
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Jul 30, 08 5:06
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Free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity
Is that unrestricted and unregulated? If so, then you eventualy end up with a pre-1900 society. Don't think I want to go back to that.
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Jul 30, 08 6:38
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speaking of secret code,
now that we know what the Bush Admin has really been about, it would be fun to go back and decipher his pre 2000 election secret codes.
... means I don't plan on working too hard
... means I won't take heed of warnings from terrorists
... means I will be spending tons of money we don't even have
... means I will be invading Iraq because he tried to kill my Daddy
... means eight years of peace and prosperity are finally over
MJuric
Jul 30, 08 6:56
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Text in italic are from the article, text in bold from Obama's web site.
"Universal," "guaranteed" health care.
Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans
Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
"Free" college tuition.
Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students.
"Universal national service" (a la Havana).
I have no idea what this means.
"Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").Couldn't find this on his site but am 100% sure I've read it on his site before.
"Free" job training (even for criminals).
"Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).
"Free" child care and "universal" preschool.
Zero to Five Plan:
Obama's comprehensive "Zero to Five" plan will provide critical support to young children and their parents. Unlike other early childhood education plans, Obama's plan places key emphasis at early care and education for infants, which is essential for children to be ready to enter kindergarten. Obama will create Early Learning Challenge Grants to promote state "zero to five" efforts and help states move toward voluntary, universal pre-school.
Expand Early Head Start and Head Start:
Obama will quadruple Early Head Start, increase Head Start funding and improve quality for both.
Affordable, High-Quality Child Care:
Obama will also provide affordable and high-quality child care to ease the burden on working families.
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities:
Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide.
More subsidized public housing.
Increase the Supply of Affordable Housing
Create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund:
Obama will create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.
Fully Fund the Community Development Block Grant:
Obama will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program and engage with urban leaders across the country to increase resources to the highest-need Americans.
A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."
Raise the Minimum Wage:
Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.
Actually after spending more time on Obama's site it was more concerning than the article. Most of these things he's not even "Jelly coating". The expansion of the Family leave act alone is amazing. 7 paid sick days, dropping the business size from 50 to 25...Ouch!
A quick perusal thru his site pretty much screams HUGE government in every area from raising your children to running your business.
I'm not amazed that this is what he's running on as frankly most people in this country want that...they just don't understand that it can't be supported. Everyone wants "Their's" but don't realize everyone can't live in a utopia.
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MJuric
Jul 30, 08 6:59
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ncrease in the earned income tax credit (cutting taxes!)
Earned income credit is not "Cutting taxes" it's "Well fare". If you are in the lower income brackets, not sure what the exact number is but at one time several years ago it was 10K, you get more money back than you paid in.
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MJuric
Jul 30, 08 7:02
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preschool and high school are free?
I don't get this either. Isn't "Pre-school" free in most states? It is here...and HS has always been as far as I can remember.
I might add I'm kinda against "Pre-school" being free...but I use it anyway :-)
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funny, but I woulda guessed you're a tad older than pre-school : )
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