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big kahuna

Nov 4, 09 22:29

Post #1 of 10 (298 views)
It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: Can't Post
Probably just a mixup. I'm sure the hundreds of tons of weapons being shipped to Hezb'allah (Party of God) in Lebanon by Iran were accidentally mixed up with the farm equipment and kewpie dolls that were supposed to be sent:


Israeli commandos seized a ship Wednesday that defense officials said was carrying hundreds of tons of weapons from Iran bound for Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas -- the largest arms shipment Israel has ever commandeered. ...

Containers had Iranian shipping codes in English -- "IRISL" on one side and "I.R. Iranian Shipping Lines Group" on the other. Some of the hundreds of crates lined up on the dock were open, revealing dark green missiles with English-language designations painted in black. ...


http://www.foxnews.com/...,2933,571548,00.html


Maybe it was really a false-flag op, designed by the IDF and Mossad to bring discredit to Amadi nejad and that gang of zanies currently crushing protestors' skulls under their jackboots, whaddya think?

IDF Navy: "Ten times more arms on ship than on Karin-A"

Video: http://www.ynetnews.com/...40,L-3800306,00.html

T.


(This post was edited by big kahuna on Nov 4, 09 22:52)


drew_235

Nov 5, 09 1:05

Post #2 of 10 (286 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post
What excatly would "a ton of arms" get me? I can only partially understand why they express it this way - it's easier than saying 47 crates of grenades, 32 crates of rockets, etc. However, to the average joe, I have no concept how much they're talking about.
How many "tons of arms" does the US military go through each day in Iraq? (excluding bombs dropped)
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big kahuna

Nov 5, 09 7:40

Post #3 of 10 (235 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [drew_235] [In reply to] Can't Post
How many "tons of arms" does the US military go through each day in Iraq? (excluding bombs dropped)

What does the above have to do with the Iranians being caught smuggling arms to Hezb'allah, which isn't a government but is a terrorist (and sometimes political) organization? Usually, in military parlance, when one says tons of arms, one doesn't expect people to be obtuse to the point that they don't realize the term "tons of arms" means assault rifles, ammunition, explosives, light artillery, mortars, rockets and the like. What use does a supposedly political party have for that sort of materiel do you suppose?

Here's a partial breakdown of the arms seized:

The weapons seized on the ship included some 3,000 rockets of various types, as well as 60-millimeter mortars, 7.62-rifle Kalashnikov-ammunition, F-1 grenades and 122-millimeter Katyusha rockets. The ship's cache was reportedly ten times the size that of the Karine A's that Israel seized in 2002.

From JPost.com:

After several days of the Israeli military monitoring the ship, IDF Navy Seals boarded it in the middle of the night. Suspicions were raised after the Seals uncovered certificates within containers that documented Iran as the point of origin for some containers, with Syria as the intended destination.

Upon receiving permission from relevant authorities, including the political establishment, the seals commandeered the ship and brought it to Israel. When the vessel was already en route to Israeli shores, Israel apprised the government of Antigua and the company that owns the ship of the situation, said the officials.

After leaving the Bandar-Abbas port in Iran, the cargo was shipped through the Suez Canal, unloaded at the Mediterranean port of Damietta in Egypt and then loaded onto the ship that was captured by the navy. The intended destination was the port of Latakia in Syria, with the contents of the shipment to be sent to Hizbullah, they said.

The ship's crew was unaware of the weapons on board, as the armaments were disguised as humanitarian aid and hidden behind sacks of polyethylene.



T.


(This post was edited by big kahuna on Nov 5, 09 7:46)


Rodred

Nov 5, 09 8:09

Post #4 of 10 (222 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post
No need to worry about this as I heard they were weapons produced by Miyagi-do Industries and can only be used for defensive purposes.

Someone should be along soon to ask what the big deal is and if we and those evil Jews can have weapons why cant Hezb'allah


rick_pcfl

Nov 5, 09 10:53

Post #5 of 10 (191 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post
easy there BK. I think he was simply asking how many weapons are in a ton, and why they denote it that way.


big kahuna

Nov 5, 09 15:18

Post #6 of 10 (136 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [rick_pcfl] [In reply to] Can't Post
My sincere apologies to the good gentleman, then. I really mean that.

T.


drew_235

Nov 5, 09 16:27

Post #7 of 10 (121 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [big kahuna] [In reply to] Can't Post
What does the above have to do with the Iranians being caught smuggling arms to Hezb'allah, which isn't a government but is a terrorist (and sometimes political) organization?

Absolutely nothing, but that doesn't mean that I can't ask a question about a part of your post that I'm genuinely curious about. The article made it sound like a slam dunk, there's no doubting the origin, destination or intent - no need to debate that.

Usually, in military parlance, when one says tons of arms, one doesn't expect people to be obtuse to the point that they don't realize the term "tons of arms" means assault rifles, ammunition, explosives, light artillery, mortars, rockets and the like. What use does a supposedly political party have for that sort of materiel do you suppose?

Well, my old man was in the Coast Guard, I went straight to university, I've made it thus far in life without ever being told what "a ton of arms" consists of. I could make some solid guesses and probably get most of what you listed above, but at the end of the day I was just curious.

rick_pcfl:
easy there BK. I think he was simply asking how many weapons are in a ton, and why they denote it that way.

Bingo. :) I've yet to compile a Christmas list this year and I'm window shopping. I don't want to be surprised and disappointed like September's installment of the Bacon of the Month Club.
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big kahuna

Nov 5, 09 17:15

Post #8 of 10 (113 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [drew_235] [In reply to] Can't Post
Check your PM, glow-boy ;-)

T.


dave_w

Nov 5, 09 17:36

Post #9 of 10 (107 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [drew_235] [In reply to] Can't Post
   I think a ship's cargo is rated in tons, and thus that is a known and easy measure for them to quickly distill info from.


big kahuna

Nov 5, 09 20:18

Post #10 of 10 (82 views)
Re: It Was Just an Innocent Gift From the Peace-Loving Gov't of Iran: [dave_w] [In reply to] Can't Post
The arms were stacked in crates in shipping containers that were camouflaged by sacks of polyethylene material. In other words, move a few sacks and the crates would then be seen. Apparently, there was enough materiel to supply Hezb'allah for a month's worth of fighting. That means hundreds of tons of all kinds of arms, ammunition, munitions, rockets...you name it.

T.